Senate GOP Unveils Tax Reform Details

Senate Minority Leader Sen. Chuck Schumer of N.Y., speaks on Capitol Hill in Washington, Thursday, Nov. 9, 2017, about the Republican tax reform plan. (AP Photo/Susan Walsh)

November 9, 2017
OAN Newsroom

Senate Republicans unveil details on their plan to overhaul the tax code with some key differences from the House plan.

Senators still want to cut the corporate tax rate from 35 percent to 20 percent, but with a one year delay to 2019 — unlike the House bill.

The Senate also wants to keep the current seven income tax brackets, lowering the bottom rate to 12 percent.

The legislation does not include a repeal of Obamacare’s individual mandate, which is something Republican leaders have been discussing.

The upper chamber plans to begin marking-up, debating, and amending the bill next week.

This comes as the House Ways and Means Committee voted to approve their bill Thursday.

It will be sent to the floor for a full vote early next week.

186 Comments on "Senate GOP Unveils Tax Reform Details"

  1. Gilbert Gaumond | November 12, 2017 at 2:32 pm |

    I know it will never pass but “TERM LIMITS ” people. Term limits in every office of every state and every government in the USA

  2. Here we go again. The GOP seems to have learned nothing from their health care debacle. The idea of delaying the corporate tax reduction means there will be no positive impact on the economy from it by 2018. Either they don’t care about cutting their own political throats, or they want the effort to fail when the House doesn’t go along, because they want Trump to fail more than they want the country to succeed. All primary opponents feeling differently should apply.

  3. Please get Schmuck Schumer off the front page. Some people are trying to eat.

  4. Better keep the corporate tax cut effective immediately, or we’ll see the stock market give back all the nice gains. Oh, and why do we need a front page picture of Chucky Schumer? He gets enough press in the MSM…….

  5. Melvin Bonzarelli | November 10, 2017 at 6:31 am |

    Is that a photo of Schumer holding up a signed copy of his pact with Satan?

  6. The swamp is alive and well.

  7. That piece of paper he’s holding in his hand should be how long our tax code is. no more. the IRS should be abolished in the same sheet of paper. until that’s all accomplished, President Trump should not sign any tax bill.

  8. Robert Adams | November 10, 2017 at 5:57 am |

    When does OAN revise its site? The lead page has been the same for a day.

  9. John Rogowski | November 10, 2017 at 5:35 am |

    Why are they calling this a tax reform……….it should be called the GOP CIRCUS ACT……another blunder by Congress swamp members …….it is no where even close to what President Trump envisioned for all Americans

  10. Martin Arredondo | November 10, 2017 at 5:29 am |

    I think it’s becoming clearer where the problems lie in DC, why nothing is getting done.

  11. constitutiononly | November 10, 2017 at 5:28 am |

    The Senate is wrong. NobamaCare must be repealed and any tax bill passed should go into effect immediately. And the number of brackets must be decreased to the number in the House Plan, and ALL deductions must go.
    More and more, the Senate becomes anti-American.

  12. I think it’s time to really start discussing a mass exodus of the Republican party to either the Libertarian party, Tea party, or a new republican party (and I emphasize the little r for a reason ). The establishment Republicans have made this mess along with us because we were told this was the best bad option and we went along with it. I think it’s time to fix it before we lose BIGLY

    • Third parties have never and cannot work in our system. The answer is to keep changing the GOP from within

  13. The more we vote, the more things stay the same. We no longer live in a Republic or a Democracy; we live in Oligarchy. The ruling class are the new Robber Barons of the 21 century and they buy and sell politicians like socks. The truth of the matter is Americans are way to trusting of government and fail to recognize when they have been had. Taxes are the way governments control the masses, the masses are the biggest threat to government. Keep your powder dry.

    • how can you say that when our vote brought us Trump? did you think that a system that took 50 years or more to create will be brought down in 6 years? Our vote is powerful and we need to keep up the fight in 2018.

  14. There will never, ever, ever, be any compromise, never ! The swamp is controlled by lobbyists and special interests !

  15. Right now our corp. rate is the highest in the world, if were not going to lower it to 20% and get competitive, then we just need to scrap the whole thing. We will not get the job growth that is needed to make tax reform.

  16. Whatever makes the CPAs in America the maddest is probably the best.
    A two line tax filing would be best –
    Line 1 – How much did you make?
    Line 2 – Send it in.
    [attrib. Johnny Carson – long ago]
    Seriously, a consumption tax would be better, a simple flat tax would be best.
    The ‘Fair Tax’ remains the only method out there that could work. These DC folks are just rearranging deck chairs…and that’s not a metaphor – it’s a warning.

  17. Time to vote out all incumbents

  18. What a joke. These Republicans remind me of male dogs… they mark their territory by getting their own spin into every bill. Isn’t it amazing how the Republican majority can F around with bills and pass nothing. When the Democrats had control, they put bills together (ie: Obamacare) and pass it.

    • The dims are always lock-step together as they are totalitarians at heart – all for Party as it’s all they have in their lives (mosy are not productive and rely upon the producers for their livelihoods). Liberals/socialists/dimocrats aren’t individuals, they are simple pieces in a macabre, menacing machine that cranks out misery for everyone but themselves.
      Republican/conservative/Libertarians are individuals first, Party members second.
      Yes, we the people are pretty much 3rd in line either way.
      Pick your poison. I choose individualism. Mainly because I know the least government is the best government.

      • In concept I do agree, BUT, the only way to undo the “dims’ misery” is to stick together. With the Republicans acting as individuals, the “dims” win and we (the citizens) lose.

        • TexasDeplorable1134 | November 10, 2017 at 5:39 am |

          We need to rid ourselves of the “Republicans” that embraced the globalist agenda in the Bush era. Notice the ones that are in control of the Senate. Most rode in with Reagan and were subverted by the Bush era that have created the mess we are in today.

  19. Tax Reform.
    Attention: Lobbyists!
    β€œLet’s make deals.”

  20. Lorie Barnett | November 10, 2017 at 1:17 am |

    It bugs me that the story line is the gop unveils tax plan…but they have a democrat in the picture. Are people so easily fooled that they will blame the Democrats for the GOPs tax giveaway to the rich?

    • TexasDeplorable1134 | November 10, 2017 at 5:49 am |

      Go back to CNN

      • Lorie Barnett | November 10, 2017 at 10:12 am |

        I don’t even have cable so I don’t know what you are talking about.

        • TexasDeplorable1134 | November 10, 2017 at 2:43 pm |

          Yet you address the OANN Readers to go to CNN when their apple/banana commercial came out. Uuuuh, I am calling BS on that one. Please, we all know that an apple did not turn out so well for Snow White so please take your rhetoric somewhere else. BTW, how is your girlfriend doing now that you are constantly posting on OAN?

          • Lorie Barnett | November 10, 2017 at 4:48 pm |

            She is pretty dumb…not normally someone I would befriend. When I do befriend stupid people, I do so because I feel like they need my protection. I tried but she rejected it. She doesn’t have internet so she watches oan on her tv…while I don’t have cable. I have internet, so I look at different apps, CNN is just one of many that I look at. It is still an issue for me that she watches oan, so although she called to apologize to me, I can’t meet with her because I can’t stop myself from going there. Yes…it is my pic. The more recent pic of me is on my FB home page…from September. I am not breaking any rules by posting on this site so I will continue to do so when I have issues to debate.

          • TexasDeplorable1134 | November 11, 2017 at 3:18 am |

            Well considering that you actually use Fakebook, I would question your supposed intelligence. What you are espousing to NEEDING to protect those who you feel are disadvantaged (e.g. does not think like you) is condescending at the least and egotistical in quite a few peoples’ mind. Your mindset has been made clear with this last statement and reinforced by your others. So consider yourself labeled as a liberal, progressive troll. Good bye and have a nice day. πŸ™‚

  21. Burrito Jackson | November 9, 2017 at 11:22 pm |

    It seems that both parties want all our money. But daddy will be home soon.

  22. I hope has a special 4×8 foot VETO stamp made up! “Now, go back and do it again”

  23. Once again the Senate Republicans are going to sink president Trump’s agenda because they have no intention of granting this outsider any success as do the Democrats. We have an oligarchy comprised of both political parties destroying our country for their own political gains and the only way to stop this catastrophe is by initiating a Convention of States and subverting this run away government.

  24. Do any of these fouls ever stop taxing and spending? Watch the GOP cowards push their Democrat lite special interest agenda and see the GOP become the minority party after the next election cycle. What a horrible missed opportunity. The GOP establishment are egotistical and spineless. Shame

    • It just amazes me how the Republican majority can F around with bills and pass nothing. When the Democrats had control, they put bills together (ie: Obamacare) and pass it.

  25. The Lisan al Gaib | November 9, 2017 at 8:32 pm |

    So since this is going to blow up any real chance of tax cuts, I’m thinking on buying some metal stocks. If the tax cuts don’t come through then the market will likely tank. Fraking Lib’s & RINO’s

  26. I see a lot of comments to vote out the establishment republicans in the mid term elections the problem with that is most of the Senate republicans are not up for this election cycle most of the seats up for this election cycle are democrats. So we have to wait till 2020 to get rid of most if the establishment republicans then.

  27. Trump needs to come home and speak out against all of the special interest going on here. Move the needle closer to a flat tax and have max amounts on deductions across the board.

  28. The one year delay gets the dems past the mid-term elections; John Kennedy ( a dem) understood lowered taxes stimulates economic growth. Its apparent that the Trump-hating dems and rhinos don’t want this to happen.
    Additionally, keeping the 7 tax brackets keeps a confused tax code confused.

  29. A marcus Young | November 9, 2017 at 5:51 pm |

    We have to get criminals like Schumer out of office.

  30. Cryin’ Chuck Schumer has the worst hair plugs on the planet after Creepy Uncle Joe Biden

  31. Mark Heinzen | November 9, 2017 at 4:48 pm |

    I have no confidence in any of these politicians from either party. Now they are talking about eliminating the deduction for property taxes.

  32. Schumer has aged a lot.
    There is a beginning and end to life.
    All Politicians will face Natural or Unnatural deaths.
    The cadaver, the carcass will rot and putrefy regardless of Party affiliation.
    Schumer, Pelosi, Waters and the other etcetera seem to be unmindful of the countdowns.

  33. Our government on both sides are all Harvey Weinstein. Our government resembles Hollywood whores to a point of embarrassment. I don’t like the self serving men and women in this environment. Is there even one person , beside President Trump that care about the people of this country? think i’m losing my frickin mind

  34. This is typical of the anti Trumpers in the Senate Republican ranks. They will kill this just like they killed the Obama Care repeal. In 2018, the establishment Republicans must be primaried.

  35. Lower corporate TAX RATE NOW! Repeal unaffordable ACA and give block grants to the states. States can best implement their own programs and can be held accountable locally. Simplify the ridiculously complex tax code. Three is better than seven!

    • And since the tax deduction is used mostly by the rich, eliminate it and make the rich pay extra tax in high tax states. They deserve it.

      I sure wish the standard deduction/exemption was indexed to the federal minimum wage.

    • Lorie Barnett | November 9, 2017 at 4:17 pm |

      Do you think you will benefit from lower corporate taxes? Do you know that big business is doing great right now? Stocks are really high which increases the value of corporations and their stock. Do you know corporations have been sitting on millions of dollars and collectively, trillions of dollars for many years and haven’t used that money to expand their businesses or raise wages? What they have been doing is moving their businesses overseas where they can take advantage of low labor and operating costs. Taxes have nothing to do with it. They only pay on avg, 19% now. Do you think lowering the tax rate on those rich corporations will make them raise wages or create new jobs? Why would even more money make a difference? Do you know that the little people like you and me that make between 20,000 and 40,000 are going to have to pay more taxes so the rich can have more? Well, I don’t know anything about you, maybe you own a big business and you are just licking your lips at getting more money from us losers…otherwise, I don’t know why you would be so excited about a Lower Corporate tax rate.

      • You know so much. How?

        • Lorie Barnett | November 10, 2017 at 12:10 am |

          I read a lot. I search out facts… I cross-check them with many different sites. I try to present the truth. I welcome anyone to converse with me as I find politics fascinating.

        • TexasDeplorable1134 | November 10, 2017 at 5:05 am |

          She is the CNN apple troll that has been assigned to discredit any site that discredits CNN. Lorie go back to your “apple is a banana republic”.

      • Yes I think that I will benefite from LOWER TAX AND FROM INCREASED TAX CREDITS! Big business and the rich always have alternatives that we do not have.

        The federal corporate tax rate stands at 35%, and jumps to 39.2% when state rates are taken into account. Yes many are given local tax breaks to offset the high corporate rate. Gee who do you think benefits from the jobs?

        • Lorie Barnett | November 9, 2017 at 11:59 pm |

          It doesn’t matter what they say the tax rate is…it isn’t realistic when no corporations pay anything near 35 or 39%. Big businesses can still deduct job related moving expenses while you will no longer be able to…businesses will still be able to deduct the cost of pens, pencils and paper, but a teacher making 35,000 a year that purchases these for her students will no longer be able to, businesses will be able to deduct state and local taxes, while you will no longer be able to. Under this tax plan, families that have high medical bills will no longer be able to deduct them from their taxes. You don’t realize that while you are cheerleading for corporations that are doing extremely well to get a big tax break, your government is taking them away from you.

          • Lorie Barnett | November 10, 2017 at 12:19 am |

            There are plenty of jobs…you just have to go to Mexico or China to get them. Those businesses aren’t coming back regardless of a lower tax rate because our wages need to go up..not down. The companies are not going to pay high wages when labor is so cheap elsewhere. But they will take that nice tax break Congress is giving them and they will be laughing all the way to the bank. I’m not saying no companies will come back… I’m sure Trump may be able to arm twist a couple of them just to save face but it won’t be significant.

          • Yes the tax rate does matter and yes it is keeping many corporations out of this country and yes it is depriving many people of jobs. Corporations are not my main concern though the people who need the jobs are my concern.

      • Bonnie Somer | November 10, 2017 at 5:02 am |

        ys b/c LOWER TAX for corps will bring jbs back that s for sure. prob is they want cheap labor and maj of Americans are being shoved out f good jobs. hate to say this but technical schools will work good plumbing and electrican jobs and builders and then healthcare jobs xray techs etc . libs are destroying our schools and our kds the corp tax rate cannot be the highest thats for sure.

    • I’m with you Lilibeth. Reagan did it and RFK before that. I have little confidence in the senate presently, looks like they are trying to tank anything that has proven historically to work. Selfish fools on the GOP side and nothing but identity politics coming from the DNC. All 3 points, proven to work – along with the exuberance an actual American president – who actually understands what the USA is codified to be – can make. Thanks for posting.

      • Lorie Barnett | November 10, 2017 at 1:06 am |

        Who is rfk? Reagan started trickle down economics, but it only grew the didn’t trickle down. Then we had Clinton who raised taxes on corporations and the rich and we had a booming economy and a balanced budget. Then we had Bush who gave us each a check…mine was around 300.00 in his first term…then he blew up the deficit with unpaid wars, didn’t pay for Medicare part D, and he deregulated the big banks and they tanked the economy. Obama got us back on track but the economy was recovering too slowly…too many jobs had moved overseas. Now Trump wants to add 1.7 trillion to the deficit to give the rich and big businesses a tax break that they don’t need and he’s trying to sell it as a middle class tax cut although 28% of the middle class will pay more.

        • You’re believing the fed left-wing propaganda instead of learning how things work, and how they have worked. Your ‘facts’are backwards and reflect the usual liberal talking points. Your ‘opinion’ is wasted space…

          • Lorie Barnett | November 10, 2017 at 10:16 am |

            I’m willing to understand your point of view…so instead of calling names and using what you consider a put down against me, why don’t you just explain your thinking?

        • typo Lorie. Also, old talking points from the 1980’s. Good to hear them, took me back. Thank you. I was a weird kid, I actually enjoyed the news and econ in high school. Most who used those talking points for years, eventually had to concede their validity to maintain some credibility. But thanks for the memories. We have this thing called google now where you can actually access some pretty decent economic profiles from that period forward. No need to sit in libraries. The charts will tell you which economic theory actually worked and which one didn’t, thus winning or losing this post argument. Problem is, one actually has to be open to ideas that may conflict with what you believe. Funny thing about numbers, they don’t lie. They rarely have a political agenda that they are defending. Enjoy your research. Thanks for sharing, have a great Thanksgiving and Christmas.

    • constitutiononly | November 10, 2017 at 5:38 am |

      Repeal the ACA, certainly, but also get the federal government, including our tax money, completely out of health care.

  36. Norma Elaine Simcosky Rafferty | November 9, 2017 at 3:34 pm |

    The GOP Senate is a disaster. They will screw it up again, just like they did with health insurance. This is all about their egos and being upset because President Trump won! I am sick of their nonsense. Vote them out ASAP!

  37. is it to difficult to ask for one bill, one vote, one law at a time. why do we need to add all kinds of different items? can we vote on each separately?

    • That would be too easy and it would identify those that are against the American people. People might start electing qualified candidates if that happened. It is all about protecting their major donors and themselves, they don’t give a hoot about the US people.

  38. It sounds like the Senate wants to keep the STATUS QUO….and Re-Title it as New….They want to delay the Corporate Tax Change so that they can later NOT CHANGE IT AT ALL….They want to keep seven tax Brackets and all the rest….TIME TO DRAIN THE SWAMP CREATURES FROM THE CONGRESS….And all other places…Time to replace the RE-PUKA-RATS and the D****RATS…

  39. nfcapitalist | November 9, 2017 at 3:02 pm |

    Every time I see these progressive senators and representatives and hear them spilling out totally unbelievable spin I think of that image of an Annapolis cadet with his hat held at his chest posing with “Communism will win,” written in the inside with a Sharpe marks-alot.

    Where are our untouchables?

  40. If the final bill sent to the President is just another gift to the fat cats wrapped in different paper I hope the President vetos it with harsh words to Congress.

  41. FLAT TAX or CONSUMPTION TAX is the only answer. Corporate tax 20 percent.
    Otherwise, this is a disaster.

    • Will never happen, unfortunately. Wall street, the big money donors, and special interest lobbyists would raise all kinds of hail with Congress if they ever had the onions to try that. Which they don’t by the way.

      • The fat cats have their wealth, they don’t want to see anyone else achieve that. That was the purpose of the income tax.

        • Some of those who have researched the issue have said that there was no such thing as income tax before 1914, and that the tax originally was designed as a patriotic effort to help support the government’s expenditures of funding the war effort in Europe during World War 1. Afterwards, the politicians saw how much money was rolling in, and, well, we all know the rest all to well. The public has been screwed over and over on this ever since and things likely won’t change until something extremely drastic happens.

  42. Now my day is complete….a picture of the Head Clown himself with his jaws a flapping like he was out in a high wind. Still think the swamp will find a way to sabotage the tax bill from ever passing, IF it ever comes up for a vote at all, that is.

  43. Bruce Johnson | November 9, 2017 at 2:29 pm |

    there is a place called file 13, jump in it Mitch, Paul, Chuckie, Nancy !!

  44. Bruce Johnson | November 9, 2017 at 2:26 pm |

    Well thats friggin brilliant! Delay the corporate tax cut! My God, we pay these idiots to run business! i can hear McConnel & the likes of him & Ryan, oh, lets hold off on giving a tax break to the one who can put Americans to work! Nooo, we dont want folks working! We like them working for less $ &/or unemployed!!! Quit jacking with our PRESIDENT you idiots! You ARE NOT following the will of the people!

    • They want it held off until just before campaigning starts for the next big election in 2020. That way they can be assured the economy will tank and they will all, demo and repub, blame it on President Trump.

  45. The Establishment Senators U R on Notice, Either come in line with the Presidents Plan or whoever is up in 2018 is gone n the rest when their times up, Period. Do U even have a fly in your shouts, it looks like U don’t have anything 2 use it 4.

  46. ...remain calm and return fire | November 9, 2017 at 2:07 pm |, please take the photo of Beelzebub off your home page….thank you.

  47. Richard McMeekin | November 9, 2017 at 1:57 pm |

    Isn’t there’s a totally undeserved 2.4% pay raise in it for them? Plus what is Chuck Schumer suddenly in the spotlight for? He and his cronies were a part of the gang who raised them in the first place. Also the same gang. Every Democratic controlled has raised taxes for the 87 years I’ve been around. They have squandered hundreds of Billions on liberal “causes” such as Henny Penny or Chicken Little or whoever it was who said “the sky is falling” became vogue. Last year Representatives worked 131 days earning a salary of $193,000. Senators really worked a jolting 138 days for their “hard earned” $193K! Disgusting!

    • I’d be willing to raise their pay IF they lost all retirement pay and residual benefits when they leave office. Being an elected official is not a career.

  48. DEMS are raving mad scared… the next step is to cut govt spending by half and send all the Obama drones looking for real jobs… lol

    • DefendTheFaith | November 9, 2017 at 1:55 pm |

      Amen brother, Preach it Preach it!!

    • elevenoclock | November 9, 2017 at 5:45 pm |

      And…Eliminate 90% of public assistance, that would save us 1 trillion dollars a year.

      • Just getting illegals off public assistance (taxpayer funded), using democrat’s own under estimated number of ~11 million illegals at $30k annually per illegal, would save the country/taxpayers ~$330,000,000,000 (that’s billion with a “B”) per year. This is a very ‘conservative’ number, too.

  49. boots and guns | November 9, 2017 at 1:46 pm |

    They will never pass this bill, the same four treasonous b@stards will vote against it like they did on O’blowhole care. Mc’squid the tumor man, already said that this bill was dead on arrival this week. there are four or five senators that are keeping middle America from achieving our goals. Maybe god can intervene since lynch mobs are not legal. Just sayin!!!

  50. Marge Terrell | November 9, 2017 at 1:27 pm |

    Paul Ryan looks like the Sneak or Snake that he is! How I wish Newt was Speaker of the House. Ryan took Secret payments from Hillary To Destroy Trump! It was reported that
    Ryan was on the Plane at the Airport when Loretta Lynch met with Bill Clinton to talk about Grandchildren!

  51. danny lemon | November 9, 2017 at 1:04 pm |

    I hope they eliminate my mortgage deduction and double my standard deduction – I will be way ahead!

  52. Erica Merovich | November 9, 2017 at 1:00 pm |

    McCain will vote against it and it’ll go nowhere. Stupid congress. They are cutting off their own noses to spite their faces….

  53. Norman Provencal | November 9, 2017 at 12:33 pm |

    Give us the details already!!!!!

  54. Haha, the post card method! How much did you earn? Ok, here is your multiplier, now pay up! YOU GET NO DEDUCTIONS ANYMORE! High out of pocket medical bills? SO SAD, TOO BAD! “NO DEDUCTIONS FOR YOU MIDDLE CLASS”!
    This is what happens when the Libtards run up a 20 TRILLION National Debt! And, once again, the Middle Class get it shoved up their rosy red ……

  55. JaySands1234 | November 9, 2017 at 12:27 pm |

    I would rather have them leave the tax code alone than screw it up and I know they will screw it up. Because that’s is the only thing they are really good at doing.

  56. Crap!
    Remember ACA Repeal betrayal.

  57. The average Republican voter has to realize present Republican legislators are corrupt UniParty. Practically all Republican legislators need to be voted out of office by the Republican voters with the help of some American patriot Democrat voters.

  58. Slash for the elites but “relief” for the rest of us? Too bad I can’t send my eye rolls to Congress…

  59. Git ‘r done!

  60. So it appears the SWAMP can’t be drained! Republicans establishment is willing to lose the midterms then the Presidency because they are not conservatives at all! They promised to repeal and replace OBAMA care not happening! Tax reform it’s a joke! Just allowing the left wing liberals to take over this country. Trump you must drain this swamp as your promised or the Light on the hill is going out!

    • They are conservative when the Dems hold power.

    • Trump is only guy working 365/24/7. Rest are parasites

    • TexasDeplorable1134 | November 10, 2017 at 5:26 am |

      The GOP establishment stopped being conservative long ago. It started in the Bush era. They embraced the globalist agenda and no longer care about the American working class. It seems it is up to us to rid these people of their stranglehold on our government and send others the message that WE WILL TOLERATE THEIR INTERFERENCE NO LONGER.

  61. everyone is making money in the congress and senate while discussing these bills…….

    • We need to abolish lobbying money and favors… violations are automatic prison time in County, not federal.
      County prison is BOOM BOOM TIME!

  62. landy fincannon | November 9, 2017 at 10:50 am |

    The greatest gift we could be given is real property rights, in other words allodial titles.
    That would put an end to this feudalistic society or at least a good start.

    • Meaning no tax liens?

      • landy fincannon | November 9, 2017 at 11:39 am |

        Well, yes. Once your home is paid off shouldn’t you own it outright?

        • Oh heavens no!! That would be giving the middle class just too much!! When these clowns get elected to congress (be they libtard or RINO), they get bought by the rich and then their agenda becomes that of who bought them which in turn perpetuates their exploitation of the middle class!

        • I moved to a place on over 50 acres about 7 years ago. My first few days here I saw a herd of deer standing right where I planned on putting a garden. My first thought was “How dare you!” My next (more realistic) thought was “I am a few missed mortgage or tax payments away from being evicted, and you guys (and your progeny) shall still be here.”

          My real question to you was “What is the true definition of allodial titles?” I skimmed the web, and it alluded to tax liens, but also said something about there being only one titleholder, so I wondered if you also were referring to limiting inheritances of property. I could not tease out what the technical meaning is.

          • landy fincannon | November 9, 2017 at 2:55 pm |

            Allodial is a term that comes from the European Feudal system.
            Only the king could hold an allodial title.
            Which means free of superior owner.
            What we deal with now is a bastardize version of feudalism and it is imperative that we refer to a legal dictionary often.
            If we did hold allodial titles we could certainly pass it on to our children just like the king has done forever.

            BTW, if you’ve never read the Paris Treaty of 1783, you should. Then ask yourself why is the dictating the terms of the treaty. Some to think about.

          • Thank you for that.

            Actually, I used to negotiate agreements and kept a Business Law book, a Real Estate Law book, the U.C.C. from various states and the FAR on my desk. I have never encountered this term.

            I just downloaded The Treaty and shall read it…it seems to be relatively brief.

            Could you clarify your next-to-last sentence? A word seems to be missing:

            “Then ask yourself why [MISSING WORD] is the dictating the terms of the treaty.” Were you going to say “the loser”?

          • landy fincannon | November 9, 2017 at 4:17 pm |

            Ops, let me correct that. You’re right king is the missing word.

          • landy fincannon | November 9, 2017 at 4:25 pm |

            Please, let me know your take on the treaty. I tend to over think things. Thanks.

    • Disgusted Caucasian | November 9, 2017 at 2:16 pm |

      Strongly agree. Most Americans actually think they own their homes and property. NOTHING could be farther from the truth. The way it is now, you only own rights to occupy and the right to transfer such rights.

      • landy fincannon | November 9, 2017 at 2:28 pm |

        Another point most people overlook is what we get in exchange for the MCO manufactures certificate of origin, from the DMV. A certificate of title.

        Who said feudalism is dead?

  63. CASSY IS SASSY | November 9, 2017 at 10:32 am |

    I don’t trust that Paul Ryan…Just seeing him standing there with that smirk on his face makes my skin crawl!

    • Kinda like the way a gator drools over a chicken he’s eyeing fer din din.

    • constitutiononly | November 10, 2017 at 5:36 am |

      The House has passed nearly 400 bills this year that the Senate has refused to even discuss. They’ve done their job and the Senate traitors have not.

      • They’re all traitors if they don’t push tax, immigration and govt. fraud, waste and abuse reform. And in the Pres. first term, not second.

      • TexasDeplorable1134 | November 10, 2017 at 9:38 am |

        These are the ones that need to be looked at and determine if they are actually representing their constituents. Jeff Flake of Arizona, David Perdue of Georgia, John Thune of South
        Dakota, Lisa Murkowski of Alaska, Cory Gardner of Colorado, Richard C.
        Shelby of Alabama and Patrick J. Toomey of Pennsylvania. Sen. John
        McCain (R-Ariz.). I am betting MOST if not all of them are establishment RINO.

  64. The republicans could suggest that we follow all of the nonsensical giveaway programs that the vote-pandering democrats cherish (“free” meals, “free” college education, “free” healthcare, “free” retirement, “free” housing, etc., ’cause you know, nobody has to pay for “free” stuff) and the same liberal fascist pin-heads would then be against it.

    Say, maybe we’re on to something here…

    • CASSY IS SASSY | November 9, 2017 at 10:37 am |

      You know……..That might work………Reversed Child Psychology, Hmmmm.

    • I think you are on to something and it probably would work. The democrat media would be so quick to oppose it they would do so before they realized it was everything they have been endorsing for years. Good idea

    • They already do that. Since the mid-90’s, the Republicans have beeen campaiging on their ability to manage the welfare state better than Democrats, not actually cutting the spending and reducing the scope of government.

    • Interesting concept.

    • Agree except for retirement. It is my money paid for safekeeping in MY account. I laughed when my wife got her first social security payment a few months ago. The Federal Government actually calls it “Federal Benefit Credit.” They really want us to believe it’s an entitlement, subject to taking away like any other “entitlement.” Buffoons

      • I agree, currently. If conservatives don’t stay diligent and observant, and the liberals get back in power – even for an hour – The dems (actually, liberal fascists) will some day win the battle to “nationalize” our retirements. Then, they will proclaim the virtues of “free” retirement – the gub’mint will take care of you in your old age. Just watch…

  65. Probably won’t even come close to resembling what the President asked for for the middle class, but Congress will make sure their special interests groups and big dollar contributors are all taken care of. The public will get screwed over AGAIN just like usual.

    • It’s already being reported that, amongst other changes, the swamp creatures want to delay the corp tax cuts until 2019 which means 2020…

      • The RINOs are as bad as the Dimmocraps. A do-nothing bunch of leeches supping at the public trough for all the money they can get out of the taxpayers.

        • I disagree.

          The Dems aggressively push their radical agenda down our throats.

          The Republicans are great at being conservative until they have power. Then they help the Democrats ram their radical agenda down our throats.

          • Little difference in CONGRESSIONAL CORRUPTION. Both parties are hard at it. Republicans in congress are weak and stupid.

          • The republicans in congress are neither weak, nor stupid, far from it. If anything, they’re “weak and stupid” like a fox. They know the (dumb)masses will vote them back in if they give away enough goodies from the people’s treasury – aka taxing and spending our taxpayer dollars on entitlements for ‘protected’ classes that they themselves have created.

          • They are weak and stupid where it really counts.

          • They’re in ‘untouchable’ positions of power because we, they’re constituents, are the ones who are weak and stupid…don’t be fooled.

          • We the people have been waking up for a long time this is what is frightening them

          • Hopefully “We the People”, those who are actually paying attention, paying taxes and voting will remain “woke” long enough to drain the swamp of these turds.

          • It’s the RINO’s, there are very few conservatives in congress!!!

          • So you don’t disagree, really.

            Both sides of the aisle are filled with deplorables. The lieberal/progressive/socialist-democrats act blatantly against the legal, US citizen’s best interests, while the GOPe do their dirty work behind closed doors so the voters can’t see their treachery.

          • Numerical Logic | November 10, 2017 at 6:50 am |

            I like you’re profile picture, b/c it’s so true.

          • Thanks! I love and live by the motto, MAGA!

          • TexasDeplorable1134 | November 10, 2017 at 8:36 am |

            Hey I resent you calling them a deplorable. We have more class than any of them will ever have and we care about the direction this country will go. πŸ˜‰

        • A bunch of old, dying, impotent men being led by the nose by their disease ridden, bisexual concubine aides and staff who are micro-managing the greatest country on earth to it’s inevitable 3rd world state. All of you keyboard ants who think voting them out will work are wrong because if voting worked they wouldn’t let you do it not to mention that doing the same thing over and over again expecting different results is truly insanity.

          • Bonnie Somer | November 10, 2017 at 4:58 am |

            so what is your solution if voting fails. vote out and them just vote in new nes. all are nt bad the ones there for yrs and yrs are the ones destroying us now. mcconnell s a horrr durbin schumer ryan and others must go its a start. yes that is what they want us to be but we have some time left and they know that f they cannot get this done they are gone anyway i do not believe they care. they want trump out they hate him so i do not think they give a rats ass

          • OK, then what is your suggestion? I’ll stay with the “vote ’em out” mantra.

          • I would start by removing corporate PAC money, then remove all lobbyists from DC and then have all government workers exposed to the same benefits packages private citizens get, specifically healthcare and Social Security, again, for a start.

      • constitutiononly | November 10, 2017 at 5:32 am |

        No one in Congress wants to take the blame and possible mid-term election damage. Hence, the delay. Disgusting.

    • TexasDeplorable1134 | November 9, 2017 at 2:26 pm |

      It seems that we will need to get busy this next election cycle as well. Most of the Congress Critters will need to get replaced as well . It seems that the establishment has not gotten the message this time around so we need to replace Congress Critters as well. It seems that Bannon was right in this manner that the Swamp runs deep and it is deepest in the Congress.

      • yep. this is gunna take some time….DOJ needs a flush, FBI is done. abolish it. DHS can take whatever loyal Americans, willing to take an oath to uphold the constitution, can go work there. One demotion in rank for not calling out their corrupt superiors. RAZE K street. Go Trump.

        • DHS (and BATFE) needs to be abolished; management laid off while rank-and-file agents offered available positions at FBI, Border Patrol, Secret Service etc ..

      • Bonnie Somer | November 10, 2017 at 4:55 am |

        amen t0 that. replace them all the g00d 0nes left are rare and few
        the tax plan is turning nto obamacare 3.333333333333333333333. just cut taxes period but they cannot all f their buddies have to get their tax breaks that is not a cut . they need to go every last one

      • constitutiononly | November 10, 2017 at 5:30 am |

        Real conservatives,like the Freedom Caucus, must be supported and told to get busy. No one, that I can see is working for US.

    • elevenoclock | November 9, 2017 at 5:42 pm |

      Listening to Republicans trying to sell this awful tax reform is like watching Daffy Duck attempting to bullsh_t Bugs Bunny.

      Trump needs to veto the tax reform and wait until we vote these scumb_gs out of office and replace them with newbie Conservatives.

      • I agree, but I’m afraid that this is the last chance. Republicans have blown it, and voters are tired of being lied to and/or ignored.

        • Bonnie Somer | November 10, 2017 at 4:59 am |

          i believe g0p leadership want the pres to fail and they do not care

          • Agreed. The ‘establishment’ (GOPe) want the pres. to fail because he is upsetting the status quo that they’ve all been using to feather their nests, for decades.

      • Yes. The old guard in the GOP has to go, because they are all as much a part of the swamp as the Dimmocraps.

    • All are plain old prostitutes-no less. Donations for services rendered. Someday voters will understand that they already have term limits by only electing for no more than two terms. Bingo term limits. But what are voters….prostitutes!!!!

      • Yes. Those voters who would rather vote for the lieberal/progressive/socialist-democrats OR GOPe’s who offers them the most freebies from the people’s Treasury (aka tax dollars), are indeed the (dumb)masses who are screwing the rest of us who actually pay the taxes in the first place. It’s a very raw deal. Who is John Gault?

    • Exactly! So when are we, the legal, taxpaying Americans going to stand up to these criminal vermin in Congress and remind them that they work for US, not the other way around? We’ve voted some of them out/in thinking they would get the message. We’ve voted them majorities in all 3 branches of govt. We’ve helped to diminish the power and reach of the lieberal/progressive/socialist-democrats, at least in DC, and what do we get? That’s right we get crapped on, yet again.

      I think it’s time to revive a decade old mantra and rush the halls of congress with chanting from LEGAL, TAXPAYING AMERICANS (like the hoards of illegals that were there yesterday) that we’re Taxed Enough Already.

    • Lorie Barnett | November 10, 2017 at 7:48 am |

      But President Trump said he wouldn’t sign it if it didn’t give the middle class a good tax cut. If he signs it as it is now, he would be a liar. I hope he listens to the people and really makes it a good tax cut for us. I contacted my senator…we should all let our voices be heard.

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