Pay Increase for Service Members in Jeopardy as Gov’t Shutdown Looms

U.S. soldiers attend the inauguration ceremony of bilateral military training between U.S. and Polish troops in Zagan, Poland, January 30, 2017. (Photo/REUTERS/Kacper Pempel)

January 16, 2018
OAN Newsroom

Congress could soon derail a pay raise that’s in the works for those serving in the nation’s armed forces.

Service members are set to receive their first paycheck reflecting a recent 2.4 percent pay raise this week so long as Congress meets its deadlines.

“The NDAA increases the size of the American armed forces for the first time in 7 years and it provides our military service members with their largest pay increase in eight years,” stated President Trump.

Though it was signed into law by the president late last month, the increase might not go into effect at all because the federal government hasn’t decided how to fund it.

The new military wage exceeds a recession-era cap on defense spending known as the sequester.

If Congress can’t pass a new government funding bill, all pay for service members and federal employees will be frozen.

Friday’s deadline would — if missed — also trigger a devastating government shutdown.

In that event, several federal programs will immediately lose funding..

With only a few days to go, the debate over DACA has largely overshadowed the shutdown and military pay issues.

“The President set the deadline for quite some time ago, said California’s Kevin McCarthy. “January 19th is the funding of government and the one thing that we agreed upon…we do not want to mix this with the funding of government or the military.”

Republican lawmakers are said to mulling a short-term budget bill, pushing the funding deadline to February.

175 Comments on "Pay Increase for Service Members in Jeopardy as Gov’t Shutdown Looms"

  1. JFK wanted to pull out of Vietnam. Supporting the troops doesn’t mean keeping them in war. It means funding their pay and providing them every tool that they need, imho….

  2. How about we cancel all foreign aid which comes to about a $100 million or more per year and give it to our military also we could not pay Congress there’s another $10 million.

  3. Shmacks Adventure | January 17, 2018 at 6:47 am |

    Nixon removed the Gold Standard/ FDR stole the gold from the people and created the new deal. Bush Jr. founded TSA Truman CIA.. if you stand for either party you are a chump.

  4. Shmacks Adventure | January 17, 2018 at 6:44 am |

    Get rid of federal government. Taxes for nothing.

  5. Varangian Guard | January 16, 2018 at 11:10 pm |

    No pay increase for troops and a gun shutdown should cause ALL lawmaker paychecks to be held as well.

    No soup for you, or no new cowboy hats for that matter considering some predeliction traits within the house

  6. Sportsmadness | January 16, 2018 at 9:20 pm |

    What a disgrace the Democrats are demonstrating the the men and women of the Armed Services.

  7. maybe the so called congressmen/women should have to serve a 4 year hitch before ever being able to run for any election. let them earn a real paycheck and figure out what a budget is all about.

  8. No. Give them their raise and let all non essential bureaucrats go.

  9. grandmother5 | January 16, 2018 at 5:05 pm |

    I can not believe that the democrats would fight so hard for illegals and not our military. Don’t forget democrats the military guys and gals vote. So watch out for your seat in congress. They are blackmailing our president saying take care of DACA first. I ask why should America take care of DACA before any other American?

  10. Sturgeon General | January 16, 2018 at 4:53 pm |

    Democrats would only let a shutdown occur if they were able to blame republicans, they have no moral stance, only political desire to gain power at the expense of anyone that dare stand in their way.

  11. If Obama could shift funding around any way he sees fit, so can Trump.

  12. All American | January 16, 2018 at 4:31 pm |

    The Republicans will not let the government shut down! Send the Democrats home we don’t need them in Our Nations Capital any longer! They are merely obstructionists And freeze their salary because they don’t get the Peoples job done!

  13. All American | January 16, 2018 at 4:18 pm |

    The Democrats are the People’s Enemy #1

  14. Our elected leaders need to started exhibiting fiscal responsibility. You have a budget, live to it. At my house, if I want something and it isn’t in my budget, I don’t get to just spend more money without a huge downside. Time for Congress to understand and act on this idea.

  15. The U.S. Service should revolt by throwing out all the leftist pigs.

  16. Once again, the anti-American liberals raise their little claws for non-Americans. I stand by President Trump and against DACA. Shut down the Government you fools.

  17. Quaduc San Nicholas | January 16, 2018 at 2:59 pm |

    If the shut down happens the only people that are to blame are the Democrats.

  18. Why is the Headline Missing Some Ridiculous New Blame on Trump?

  19. Another example of professional politician swamp rats being OBSTRUCTIONIST instead of working to make America Stronger & Better.

    Swamp Rat Politicians are MORE worried about illegals than they are the very people serving to protect the freedoms of this country!

    I find it indefensible that these liberal states, sanctuary cities & states, and the corrupt krime families that try to run this country for their own agenda forget who pays their salaries.

    It sure as HELL is NOT DACA babies!

    I hope when it comes time to vote that some of these libertards will remember the CRAP their elected officials created when it comes time to provide them with their perks & benefits package AND the corrupt power they wield during the next election!

    Nonsense, just nonsense and it is time for it to stop!

    DRAIN THE SWAMP MR. PRESIDENT & KEEP UP THE FIGHT to drive out the criminal elements in this country that would destroy its freedoms to get ‘their way.’

  20. DefendTheFaith | January 16, 2018 at 1:59 pm |

    Liberals or Democrats are like spoiled little children full of carnality needin’ a good butt whippin’ LOL. It warms my soul to think of all the liberals whose days are ruined by the reality of PRESIDENT Trump!
    Democrats have no morals, no integrity, and no shame.

  21. My Gosh watching press conference with President’s doctor; can’t believe the questions they are asking this man. The press is totally unhinged, they are asking him if he is showing the same Alzheimer’s symptoms that Ronald Regan did at his age? How does this doctor keep a straight face.

    • They will not stop at his mental health.

      • I’d say it’s time to question Durbin’s. He has really gone off the rails. Tell you what sets my hair on fire. Durbin and the Dems in general would willingly shut the government down to defend illegal aliens … putting them before the citizens of our country.

        • Absolutely! Votes before Americans, especially before America. Thanks for responding and May God Bless!

    • Never seen such a collection of losers in my life as that White House Press Corps. The questions they were asking were way past stupid. I thought the good doctor showed patience above and beyond. I would have walked out way before the same question was asked three times. Idiots.

      • All American | January 16, 2018 at 4:15 pm |

        A humiliation to our country is what the majority of them are. I bet its like laugh in to countries beyond our borders!!!

    • Actually, I thought I saw the beginnings of a grin several times. Let’s face it … the Press surpassed all previous successes at making asses of themselves. Hard to believe they are still kicking the “President Trump said a bad word” around. Idiots.

    • grandmother5 | January 16, 2018 at 4:46 pm |

      I’m sure it was hard. He is a professional where the reporters are not. I don’t know WTH they are.

  22. Gnome Sane? | January 16, 2018 at 1:14 pm |

    Dimoturds are looking for every possible way to ensure they retain their illegal alien DACA voters. Even screwing over the very entity that protects their right to be flaming a**h****! Makes me sick. Shut the government down. NO MORE AMNESTIES!!!

    • chatty cathy | January 16, 2018 at 1:30 pm |

      You took that thought from my head! 🙂 They are doing EXACTLY that to the very ones who give them the freedom to be ant-American communists! It’s all about the left thinking they have ‘control’ and opening the borders to those who will vote for them and follow the communistic agenda. They’re screwing over America..period. We know though- as the people have spoken- who really matter. So crazy that they want to destroy their country..OUR country. Ugh!!

      • All American | January 16, 2018 at 4:17 pm |

        We need to vote every single Democrat out of office to get America back on track. These clowns are far from doing the work of the people.

  23. The Democrats were given a set of parameters that the administration wanted if I wanted to get their Daca bill past. But since They don’t want to compromise on the bill. then I vote that we pillory all of the Democrats

  24. Doug Patterson | January 16, 2018 at 12:21 pm |

    It is time so stop spreading the lie that the government “shuts down.” It does NOT SHUT DOWN!! It just sends non-essential civilian employees home for a while with (maybe) their pay deferred. Really important functions keep on going. We can’t let the dems blame the Republicans again, as they have always done in the past.

    • All American | January 16, 2018 at 4:20 pm |

      Americans know the party of destruction and fascism is the Democratic Party.

    • grandmother5 | January 16, 2018 at 4:54 pm |

      Maybe the non-essential civilian employees are not really needed i.e. assistants that have assistants, secretaries that have secretaries and assistants. I bet they could get rid of some of those little helpers to the congressmen and women and not miss them. Maybe it would also make some of them “work” for a change.

  25. The Government has never been shut down and it won’t be this time either. They close a couplle of Parks and send some unnecessary employees home for a weeks paid vacation and Botta Bing, Botta Boom, there is what passes for a Government Shut Down. This is the Democrat’s call but the GOP will get blamed for it by their Media

    • The stock market won’t shut down; I mean the rest of us mere mortals have to show up for work; come Friday I still will have a job; right? Thanks for your comment!

  26. The biggest difference with Trump as POTUS is that he is much tougher than the vat majority of our political class. They attack him constantly only to deflect attention from their piss poor performance. And that goes for both sides of the aisle. This is not a democrat issue, it is an America first issue and many of them consistently put themselves and their political party first to the detriment of we, the people.

  27. Slowpoke the Cruiser | January 16, 2018 at 11:57 am |

    Democrats: always someone else’s fault

    • come and take it | January 16, 2018 at 12:49 pm |

      that be relevant if the democrats were relevant.

      they’re not:

      congress – 239 Rs vs 193 Ds
      senate – 51 Rs vs 47 Ds
      executive – 1R vs 0 Ds

      chump and the republican’ts own all of this.

      • All American | January 16, 2018 at 4:23 pm |

        Exactly why the government won’t shut down. Now go wipe the dripping brown stuff off of your face, splash yourself with cold water and get a life

    • chatty cathy | January 16, 2018 at 2:14 pm |

      Truth

    • grandmother5 | January 16, 2018 at 4:58 pm |

      They are always saying it’s someone else’s fault or they are saying raise taxes or tax something else.

  28. internettoughguy | January 16, 2018 at 11:52 am |

    People whose ability to carry on a conversation on any subject is limited entirely to ranting about they hate DemocRATS bore me.

    • They won, so now do the work LEAD – instead it’s about Hillary Wahhhh!

    • Slowpoke the Cruiser | January 16, 2018 at 11:58 am |

      Don’t worry: it’s not professional, it’s personal. if you are so bored, you can always change the channel.

      • Living in the Times | January 16, 2018 at 12:16 pm |

        He can’t. CNN doesn’t have a commenting bored and he left Fox because that board has turned into mostly liberals just tuning in to fight with the Republicans there. Now he comes here to do the same. One intention…to pick fights. I use to comment on Fox and deleted that account and came here. Far more civil and mature here…except for a few, but you can always block them.

    • Living in the Times | January 16, 2018 at 12:08 pm |

      You are on a Conservative comment board…duh! Go to CNN. And, btw, what are the majority of your comments based on? Ranting against Mr. Trump and his supporters. Why so hypocritical?

    • grandmother5 | January 16, 2018 at 5:02 pm |

      and you tuffy bored all of us. It’s okay for the democrats to carry on a conversation bashing the president and the republicans, but it’s not okay to say one bad word against the democrats. Seems one sided to me.

  29. Shhheeesh Release Trump’s Medical records already sheesh!

    My bet’s are:

    Pre-Diabetic or Type II Diabetic – Trump says exercise is for fools.
    BMI = Obese he is overweight by a mile!
    A1C over 7.0
    High Blood Pressure – He’s always Blowing Up – High Strung and Angry
    High Cholesterol 235+

    Early Onset Dementia – Maybe.

    We’ll see

  30. The government will not shutdown if this is not passed. It’s a ploy to get people all riled up. Plus the military already been given a substantial increase and has been signed by President Trump. Have a great day America

    • it was a ploy used by democrats to tug at the heart strings of the ignorant.

      now who’s doing it?

  31. 4 Days —

    Lawmakers must pass a funding bill by Jan. 19 or the government will shut down.

    MAGA – Mueller Ain’t Going Away!

  32. Just remember this; the DemoRATZ are willing to shut down the government and cause misery all over the country for the sake of ILLEGAL ALIENS. I thought that OUR government was supposed to protect us from illegals but not from the DemoRAT viewpoint. Be sure to remember this in the fall at election time that Mexicans mean more to DemoRATZ then citizens do.

    • That, and they will also use it to falsely smear Trump.

      • Their only believers will be ghetto dwellers and entertainers!

        • All American | January 16, 2018 at 4:31 pm |

          Elitests and those who feel entitled, dependents who have given up hope to ever live the American Dream and are hapoy living in ghettos.
          Let’s pray that they become fewer!

          • Never ever under any circumstances give up hope or give up trying. This is America. I am a high school dropout with a felony prison record. God and I salvaged my life and I retired from an honest job comfortably on 80 acres with a new house and a large sum in my IRA.

          • All American | January 17, 2018 at 12:31 pm |

            No never ever give up🇺🇸
            You are living proof that one can make the dream become reality!
            Congratulations to you 💫

          • Congratulations to God. Everyone it seems want’s to leave Him out now days!

          • All American | January 17, 2018 at 6:33 pm |

            Yes, thank God🙌🏻

    • Love your comment. The democrates do politics better than anyone; now that they have secured the black vote; they need to exploit illegals for their vote. That’s what they do and votes are all they care about. Control people with welfare and by painting the other party as uncaring racists you don’t need to work with your constituents in congress or the senate; once your in who cares what you do.

    • congress – 239 Rs vs 193 Ds
      senate – 51 Rs vs 47 Ds
      executive – 1R vs 0 Ds

      how are the democrats shutting down or controlling anything?

      (inconvenient, i know.)

      • It’s not the number of voters …. it’s the number of votes needed to pass legislation. Besides, we are not able to count on the RINO’s so they don’t count — that is until election day — then we’ll count again.

    • Remember it now and on all future election days. Also remember the big-mouth RINO’s who don’t stand behind our President. Flush them with the Dems.

    • All American | January 16, 2018 at 4:25 pm |

      The Democrats don’t care about Americans.

  33. Start cutting duplicative Federal Agencies and you can fund anything in the military. Mandate a hiring freeze until Federal govt is reduced by 65%.

  34. Oh, just another group of people screwed over by El Presidente Drumpf.

    For instance take the case of Steelworkers in the USA …

    The president of the United Steelworkers union says the group is “terribly disappointed” with President Trump, who he says has done nothing to protect American jobs since taking office last January.

    In an interview with CNN, United Steelworkers President Leo Gerard said that American workers are in some ways worse off now than they were just a year ago.

    “We’re terribly disappointed and hugely frustrated,” Gerard told CNN. “There’s been no action that has done anything to protect and defend American jobs. … In some cases we’re worse off now than we were then.”

    MAGA – Mueller Ain’t Going Away!

    • ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ You commies can self deport or off yourselves.
      #MAGA

      • MAGA – MUELLER AIN’T GOING AWAY – I’m a citizen — No need to deport. LMAO Loser!

        • Stick a fork in Mueller as the Russian collusion has proven to be manufactured by the DemoRATZ and their FakeNews Lame Stream Medianites.

          • It’s funny Mueller Subpoenas Bannon officially!

            SING BABY SING LIKE A CANARY … Bannon is going to get REVENGE!

            1. Bannon was Fired By the WH
            2. Bannon was Kicked To The Curb by The Billionaire Mercer’s
            3. Bannon was Ousted at his Baby Breitbart
            4. Bannon did Oppo Research on Trump before he worked for him.

            BANNON IS AN EMPLOYEE SCORNED !!!

            Trump is SUNK — Bannon’s going to sink Their Family!

            MAGA – Mueller Ain’t Going Away!

          • In your wet dreams only!

    • LOL! Unionized overpaid steel workers who sleep with DemoRATZ . In an interview with CNN who are originators and publishers of FakeNews. You need to apply for a stint at a comedy club.

      • tRump Promised to Protect Steelworkers during his campaign … He Lied as usual … Layoffs are coming instead.

        Don’t blame in on the Unions – Trump promises are broken promises.

        • Don’t blame the union’s when overpaid workers and feather bedded contracts and non productive work rules stifle productivity? You have to be kidding? The unions prostitute themselves to the DemoRATZ every election and not the RepubliCANS so whine to the lover that you sleep with, the DemoRATZ!

    • Slowpoke the Cruiser | January 16, 2018 at 12:01 pm |

      Isn’t your life tough enough without making things up?

      • Funny go interview the Steelworkers. Swallow fake news and lies much … oh you support Drumpf … that explains it.

        • Slowpoke the Cruiser | January 16, 2018 at 12:17 pm |

          Oh, you mean the whole state of PA? Or just the terminally stupid unionists determined to eat their own?

          • Let me know when the NFL goes Non-Union.

          • When the commissioner grows a set, but you’re right I’m not holding my breath. Liked your comment.

          • Slowpoke the Cruiser | January 16, 2018 at 12:41 pm |

            I read to day that the ill-educated, over paid players that have been “demonstrating” will not do so at the super bowl this year – none of those team made it that far!

          • Mary Hasting | January 16, 2018 at 5:32 pm |

            The NFL did it to themselves. They deserve no respect or help from our President.

    • Mary Hasting | January 16, 2018 at 5:30 pm |

      And, you would believe a UNION president? Unions are ALL Democraps. Of course, they are going to lie, just like any other democrap.

  35. Derek Dominico | January 16, 2018 at 10:23 am |

    The Democrats would fight for DACA but not stand for our MILITARY !
    Totally SICK !

    • Not to the democraps.

    • Republican hardliners are killing DACA and Trump thinks the Gov’t SHOULD BE SHUT DOWN – He says it all the time. He wants a SHUTDOWN!

      I hope DRUMP gets his way that way – he’ll go from the 30’s into the 20’s!

      • The DemoRATZ love Mexicans more then Americans and are willing to shut the government down for their illegal darlings.

        • At pretty much full employment in this country who’s going to pick your tomatoes?

          • You’re racist as all can be, yet you feel superior to others. Truly disgusting human.

          • I will tell you who: not one darn illegal, not to pick tomatoes, not to mow my lawn or perform any kind of work on my property – and even less any of the useless, good-for-nothing members of the DC or Hollywood cliques who have never done an honest day’s work in their lives!

          • Slowpoke the Cruiser | January 16, 2018 at 12:03 pm |

            machines – and have for many years

          • chatty cathy | January 16, 2018 at 1:50 pm |

            Go eat a bug

          • Tomatoes, I doan need no stinkin tomatoes!

          • PainfullyReality | January 16, 2018 at 4:42 pm |

            Full unemployment? You do realize that those no longer looking are dropped from the stats right? Actual unemployment is at least twice the stated numbers.

          • You support illegals being paid under the table at subsistence wages and working ungodly hours? It sounds more like abuse…

          • I support jailing the losers that pay them that way. I also support illegals being deported and that seems to cover all bases!

      • Don't Tase Me Bro! | January 16, 2018 at 11:48 am |

        What’s the matter? Did your mom forget to give you her breast milk this morning?

      • Wtf????????

      • Democrats are the ones shutting down the govt. They won’t work with the GOP, all they do is b itch and refuse to come to any meetings to discuss the budget or DACA…. Hey Schumer, Pelosi, Feinstien, Waters, Warren, and Durbin no pay check for ya all, your pay goes to our military.

      • Derek Dominico | January 17, 2018 at 7:51 am |

        Did you hear that from MSM?
        He wants this lawmakers to work their ads off instead of playing politics.

    • The last “Democrat” to support the military was JFK. The deep state put an end to that.

  36. Fred Rochester | January 16, 2018 at 10:21 am |

    DACA has nothing to do with military pay. The Democrats want to make it an issue at the expense of our military. Democrats hate the military and they prove it with this nonsense. TO try to use it as leverage to make the president bow to their will to destroy the military. Hold the line, Mr. President. Make the Democrats pay by labeling them as people that is against the military. Troop support is unconditional.

  37. ”The federal government hasn’t decided how to fund it”
    Well lets see, less giving away to nations that actually practice the word hate, all the illegals being given everything, wasting on investigations of the wrong people, less being able to charge Americans $700.00 for a hammer and maybe the tax break our fine leader gave us will help those who have protected America.

    • Sane_Person37 | January 16, 2018 at 10:18 am |

      Yea, Imagine, illegals and other assorted … non-contributors…. to America are getting free health care while the VA still has lots of problems to overcome. Then you have all the totally useless federal agencies and departments and these clowns are wringing their hands over a 2.4 % pay raise for around 2.5 – 3 million people. Less than 1% of the population. Makes Me Sick !

  38. Shane Norkus | January 16, 2018 at 10:10 am |

    the government is funded for the next year so, even if it does close, it won’t affect anything. what I would like to see happen is the Treasure Department withhold ALL 535 congressional paychecks and ALL the paychecks of those non-essential employees and give them to our front-line military warriors. the support troops will get their raises when the federal government reopens.

    when that happens, none of the non-essential employees will be rehired, just given their pink-slip and no congressman or senator will be given any pro-rated or back pay.

  39. Liberals don’t care about this country, especially the military. They hate the military and they couldn’t care less for their “dreamers” or black people. Those are simply political tools they use to get what they want.

  40. Shut it down, id rather pay the soldier than the poli hacks in Washintoon.

  41. So the demonrats prove yet once again, they are the real party of obstructionist!

    • Living in the Times | January 16, 2018 at 10:31 am |

      …anything to get their way. It is not about us with the Dems…it is about THEM!

      • Agreed, but not any more. Voters have seen their corruption, dirty politics, character assassinations and the low they will stoop to get vote. Even if it cost the American voters their county and freedoms. It is the exact reason they have lost over 1000+ seats in local state and federal government in the last 8 years.

        They have become the enemy from within we always were warned about as far as I am concerned.

        • Living in the Times | January 16, 2018 at 11:53 am |

          Yes, I agree with you and it is sad. One would think the Dems would be more concerned about working with a President that has this countries best interest in mind instead of their own personal agendas.

  42. 2.4% raise. And what is the COLA increase every year? Take the funds needed for a 5% raise off the senators and congressmen/women and give it back to the people they took it from to pay themselves lavish wages. Come on people, wake-up and do something!

    • charliehorsescout | January 16, 2018 at 10:34 am |

      My cola this year for my VA disability,(100%sc/p&t) is 2%. And I am very thankful for it too.

    • Yes, granted congress doesn’t deserve a raise, but our military men and women deserve every penny.

      • Absolutely. Actually, all Congress members who prevent President Trump to carry on the mandate we have given him ought to be sanctioned and have their salaries reduced increasingly every month during the time they obstruct governmental function.

  43. The Democrats will let the country shut down happily if they can’t get the DACA deal they want. They appear determined to throw open the borders to any and all criminals and secure amnesty for those already here, even MS13. Then, when (not if) the next terrorist attack comes……you know they will all say Trump was at fault…..even though the Democrats were the ones who held the door open for the terrorists in the first place.

  44. Robert Johnson | January 16, 2018 at 9:42 am |

    The military will know it is the demoncrats that messed things up, that could help the GOP down the road!

    • It could help them right now if the military would converge on Washington and remove all the Democrats by force. Think of it as the military working hard to get their raises.

    • Democrats want more voters…DACA. Hence all the other programs chain-migration, DACA, DAPA, visa over stays, Temp disaster refugees, muslim refugees. Republicians need to grow a pair and get a backbone. Call their bluff and do your jobs!

    • ShemSilber2 | January 16, 2018 at 1:22 pm |

      Yes, indeed! When we curse those who bless us, it snaps back ten times as hard at us! The demoniac-rats have yet to learn that lesson!

  45. Tony Anthony | January 16, 2018 at 9:40 am |

    This is not new or news, this has been going on with every administration. this happened 3 times while I was in the military, and you know what, you stay strong, and believe. No matter what we will get payed once the democrat’s sit down and do what s right for the Country

  46. The pay increase is very small, but long overdue. A government shut down would really hurt the lowly Democratic Party even more. They have become the party of NO.

  47. PainfullyReality | January 16, 2018 at 9:33 am |

    As a member of the military, I, along with those I know, say… Stand firm Mr. President!

    • charliehorsescout | January 16, 2018 at 10:32 am |

      As a former military member,I agree. Mr. President,stand fast,we still have your back.

    • Living in the Times | January 16, 2018 at 10:32 am |

      We, as Americans, appreciate your service!!!! Yours too charlie!

    • I’m with you and Thank you for your service.

    • I’m sick of these crooked lawyers demonstrating how little they care about this country. Their vacation is more important than the people putting their lives on the line to protect their corrupt way of life.

      • chatty cathy | January 16, 2018 at 1:45 pm |

        You mention lawyers. Wondering if you’ve checked out ” NH- State of Corruption”? Pretty interesting info on there about all the corrupt lawyers from city to state to top gov…presidential even. Just saying. All connected if even by school..the man trying to get everyone’s help/attention I believe is Mike Gill?

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