GOP Senators Call For Cap On Payments to Former Presidents

Former presidents Barack Obama, George W. Bush, Bill Clinton, and Jimmy Carter. (J. Scott Applewhite / AP)

September 13, 2017
OAN Newsroom

A GOP senator is looking to cut down on payments former presidents receive from taxpayers.

Iowa Senator Joni Erst argues the excessive perks are an unnecessary burden on taxpayers.

She introduced legislation on Tuesday that would limit the pensions and office expenses that ex-presidents receive.

Former Presidents Barack Obama and George W. Bush are each expected to cost more than one million dollars in pensions and office equipment in 2018 alone.

The bill would cap the annual pension payment at $200,000 per president, and limit how much a former president’s office can cost.

“Our former presidents have book deals, they have speaking engagements and they are paid quite liberally in those areas, and the American taxpayer shouldn’t be subsidizing for these personal office spaces,” said Erst, “it’s time we do something about that.”

Reports indicate Obama is poised to become the most expensive ex-president during his first full year out of office.

  • Dr Food

    To think how progressives and morons, aka Hillary, are calling for the repeal of the electoral college. If you want to never again have any chance of being represented, back that dumb idea.

    • oneprivateer

      We must keep educating b/c I’ve talked to conservatives that think the same. Some on the right have bought into that!

  • KMA

    A waste of time and taxpayers money.
    The next president would just change it, like the last one!

    Whenever you make a new law,people with money find a way around it!

  • weldon2

    Holly Heaven!!! Payments to all retired Elected officials has been out of control for a Looong Time and should be Reduced.

  • Fred Bear

    I don’t disagree with them on this but I also can’t help but notice the senators are not contemplating any caps on what they are getting. Funny how that works

  • ken

    there not president any more they should not get a dime from us this is nothing but a rip off of the tax payers, they make millions in book deals and speachs why should we pay them

  • RGT

    Good for her. This needs to get legs.

  • Carolann313

    It’s about time … kudos to you Joni Erst !!!

  • gwilson5150

    Absolutely! Cut them off! All the speaking engagements they get paid for is enough for them. Why should the taxpayers continue to pay [after they are out of office] for all the things they didn’t do while they were in. As for their Presidential Libraries….they were always pretty good at fundraisers. Pay for their libraries that way.

  • oneprivateer

    Yes as many Founders were against political parties.

    Congress was to Rep….? To respond… hope this helps!

    If you read the founders notes/writings and other documentation you will find a wealth of information as to how they were thinking. For example there is ONLY one mention of “separation of church and state” in the founders writings which has been fornicated by the bad guys in disinformation propagandizing school books and state managed media.

    If you google questions about the framers about Senate and Congress you find many sources; here are a couple…

    Quote From Britannica: I’m surprised Britannica has this since they are left wing documentation.

    “The House of Representatives shares equal responsibility for lawmaking with the U.S. Senate.
    As conceived by the framers of the Constitution, the House was to represent the popular will, and its members were to be directly elected by the people. In contrast, members of the Senate were appointed by the
    states until the ratification of the Seventeenth Amendment (1913), which mandated the direct election of senators.

    Below is a quote is from the United States Senate website: I hesitate to include web site b/c I have had my posts deleted on this site when suggesting a site to visit.

    “The framers of the Constitution created the United States Senate to protect the rights of individual states and safeguard minority opinion in a system of government designed to give greater power to the national government. They modeled the Senate on governors’ councils of the colonial era and on the state senates that had evolved since independence. The framers intended the Senate to be an independent body of responsible citizens who would share power with the president and the House of Representatives. James Madison, paraphrasing Edmund Randolph,
    explained in his notes that the Senate’s role was “first to protect the people against their rulers [and] secondly to protect the people against the transient impressions into which they themselves might be led.”

    “To balance power between the large and small states, the Constitution’s framers agreed that states would be represented equally in the Senate and in proportion to their populations in the House. Further preserving
    the authority of individual states, they provided that state legislatures would elect senators. To guarantee senators’ independence from short-term political pressures, the framers designed a six-year Senate term, three times as long as that of popularly elected members of the House of Representatives. Madison reasoned that longer terms would provide stability. “If it not be a firm body,” he concluded, “the other branch being more numerous, and coming immediately from the people, will overwhelm it.” Responding to fears that a six-year Senate term would produce an unreachable aristocracy in the Senate, the framers specified that one-third of the members’ terms would expire every two years, leaving two-thirds of the members in office. This combined the principles of continuity and rotation in office.”

  • Hog Dog

    All Congressmen should be supporting this bill. Why are the Dems NOT supporting it???

    It is YOUR and my money they are throwing away to people who are already rich and millionaires.

    “A penny saved is a penny earned”.

  • Cherokee

    Now term limits

  • Lee McLaughlin

    No joke. No pun intended.

  • Richard McMeekin

    Once upon a time, Presidents excluded, retirement for elected officials was comparable to military retirement. 2 and 1/2% of base pay for each year served. We had to serve 20 years to earn our military pensions. For Congressmen, minimum time required to be eligible for a pension – 8 years in office; even then they had to wait until they were 65 to receive a federal stipend. Congress opted to do away with the former. They voted for the option to invest in commercially available retirement pension packages and that’s what they get presently. Term Limits would be a Godsend.

    Do away with “presidential libraries.” Establish means testing to lower government retirement by lowering pensions by $ earned for speaking fees received and book revenues. Let the 5 remaining millionaires EARN their keep. I spoke with a Navy Seal’s widow today. I served with her husband. She receives a stipend from the VA and her social security, while ex-presidents and others live in the lap of luxury at taxpayers’ expense! BFD!

    • oneprivateer

      A thought to add to your comment. If retired presidents want a Presidential Library; they should ask supporters to donate to a fund to build it!

      Thanks for your service!

  • SonomaFlyer

    How about NO pensions for former members of Congress while we are at it AND no free healthcare?

  • Ed L

    Give them a pension like Harry Trumans was. Plus no secret service.

  • EL PHUPPHY

    All Congressmen should vote to limit the retirement package on ALL government employees. Presidents, Senators, Representatives, office workers, every single government employee should have a retirement package more in line with the average Joe’s retirement packages. And yes, while they’re at it, vote in term limits for everyone, and all government employees are governed by the same rules and laws, etc as we are. No exemptions for anyone.

  • Libtardsarestupid

    Should also cut Senators and representatives by 90%, none of them are worth a wooden nickel including all of past and present presidents.

  • No Mas

    Cap it at 100k PER YEAR plus one security dude the Obama and Clintons used in BENGHAZI

  • Frank Meccia

    This makes sence, There hasn’t been a poor president in over 100 years, every one has wealth of over 1 million, reduce the pensions, a flat $250K period for everything

    • oneprivateer

      Truman left office broke in 1953. Just a friendly reminder.

  • louigi

    This will not get one democrat vote!

    • oneprivateer

      It won’t receive many Republican votes either. IF voted on it will be orchestrated and a loss of by one or two.

  • deal with it

    cut them off completely & give them a bus ticket home. Truman took a train & didn’t get anything after he left office.

  • Kimble Linda

    And limit the incessant vacations with all the secret service cost. Vacation at you own expense you free loading sorry mooch. We suffered enough while you gave away our country to your buddy’s and illegals. Stay home and finally put a sock in it. No one cares about your legacy our your thoughts.

  • Ezra Tank

    Nice start now extend that through ALL of the major branches of the Government and set term limits to all of them (just like the President) including the Judicial (Supreme Court should be 12 year term).

    Why do Presidents get a pension of $200K/year? Bill Clinton makes twice that and more in every speech. I’m sorry but if you pull in more than the pension you’re receiving then said pension should be null and void.

    There I just wrote a bill and I’m not even in Congress.

  • piper60

    But then the Congresscritters would be back in their home towns, running for Mayor and school committee and rooting around for pension benefits!

  • Native Born American

    Why are taxpayers subsidizing millionaire former Presidents?

    Stop giving taxpayer money to people who don’t need it.

    Anyone barely surviving on Social Security loses their benefits or has them reduced if they earn over a set dollar amount. If that type of policy is good enough for American citizens it’s good enough for former President’s.

    President Trump isn’t taking a salary as POTUS. It’s obvious our current President is working for America not the money.

    Not one politician or former President will follow President Trump’s example.

    • piper60

      Who in his right mind would put up with all the grief that job entails merely for the salary?!

  • Steven

    Give them a year of Secret Service protection, after that they can provide their own out of their $200,000 as well as pay their own office expenses.

  • Butthep

    Good idea. Senators need to pass this bill immediately.

    • piper60

      When the army switched to 120 beats per minute, congress stayed with 60!

  • jenshadus

    excellent idea. They should go back to the way it was when first president’s started. They supported themselves.

  • ShortSweet

    Long overdue. Speaking fees, book deals, etc. should be deducted from that set $200,000 also. Name one corporation or business outside the government that pays office expenses for retired workers. Next get cracking on term limits and we’re on a roll.

  • Matt

    This will never get done
    unless we start being proactive and
    call or write our congressmen
    The Silent Conservatives need to speak up
    or let this violent radical element that
    is coming out of the democrat party rule us

    • piper60

      Is principletaughtin college Speech classes:People very good at not listening! Is called “selectivity.
      Great White Fathers very good aye “selective attention”and “selective exposure.” Been ignoring Red man for two hundred years!Can ignore mountains of angry letters from ungrateful constituents like water off duck’s back!

      • Matt

        the reality on the Red Man is they aren’t citizens, they are a native culture within the USA.
        It is shameful but they preferred that and wanted their culture to be preserved.
        The Politicians do have selective hearing but they will never respond if you don’t try

  • texantim

    And what about Congressional perks, Senator….

    • piper60

      Maybe Congresscritter give back free reserved parking spots at Reagan National Airport! Pay for own haircuts!Pay market value for free gym membership!Pay for rides on Senate Subway!

  • Too_Late_4_America

    How about making the Kenyan pay it back first, instead of just living high on the hog like a share cropper who just won the lottery?

    • piper60

      If we didn’t pay him off, his worshippers would be up to even WORSE mischief!

  • DANA Williams

    Now in a time of such high national debt and their ability to earn more than enough to take care of themselfs and their families there needs to be a large reduction in what they receive in retirement for we the people. When you retire does your boss pay all of your expenses plus a pension??????

    • piper60

      He would if we had the power to make him!

  • Virginia Panko

    Obama is costing us a fortune running to different Countries which requires Extra Secret Service. He just doesn’t care what it is costing the Taxpayer.

    • Scott Henke

      And he’s hosting some summit next week in Chicago where he’ll encourage young people to resist the lawfully elected President Trump. Oh yeah, we get to pay for the security for that.

      • piper60

        Being a “community organizer”was his only qualification for the Presidency!Howelse can we keep him off the streets and out of trouble?Midnight basketball?

    • Mr. Deplorable

      He didn’t care during eight failed years as a Resident. That’s why we’re $20T in debt.

      • piper60

        That’s to be paid for by the Dems favorite citizen, Somebody ELSE!

    • piper60

      That’s what taxpayers are FOR-redistributing wealth to worthy public servants!

  • HollyB

    Obama was the one who extended Secret Service protection to Ex. Presidents to life time.
    That needs to be rolled back.
    Give them a pension, and that’s it.
    They can fund their own office and staff, if they feel they need one.
    After all, a pension indicates they are retired, as in not working for the tax payer anymore.
    They can pay for their own healthcare insurance, too.
    Also make the pension dependent on what they make, like earnings while on Social Security, they get penalized , as some suggested below..
    As it is, we are paying over a half a million dollars just to rent office space for Obama in D.C.
    He can learn to live within his means.
    Cut off the Ex Presidential welfare.

  • Susan P

    Harry and Bess Truman drove themselves from Washington, D. C. to Kansas to live in a house Bess had inherited. Except for the house, they were basically destitute, so I understand why Congress passed a pension for former presidents. But, the expense to the taxpayers has become ridiculous. It is well past time a cap was put on their pensions and I see no reason why the taxpayers should fund an office or staff for a former president. They no longer work for us and are supposed to be “retired”. A flat pension of 50% of the president’s salary would put them in better shape than most retired taxpayers. What ever they do with their time they should pay for out of that pension or money earned elsewhere. I also do not believe they need “lifetime” Secret Service protection; especially NOT the protection at each and every residence they own even when they are not there.

    • piper60

      When Eisenhower retired to Gettysburg, the Secret Service took the alarm system out of the guard house sat the gate!

  • SendThemPacking

    Great place to start, then move on to the senators and house members.

    • Scott Henke

      Yeah, kind of like term limits.

  • MIke 54

    If you draw Social Security at 62 your limited to making an additional 17K per Year. If you make more then you lose your benefits. Do the same for the Pres. If they make over 100k working ie: Speaking engagements, Etc. then they lose their benefits for that year. Why do they get to keep theirs when everyone else loses theirs.. Quite simple if you ask me.
    Lord knows all of them put together aren’t worth 5 Bucks!!!

    • piper60

      What’s Barry got to say that we haven’t already heard? Over and over and over again!?Carter? I’d contribute myself if he’d promise to just shut up!

  • tom

    In the following year if speaking fees outweigh their pension, they get nothing. At $200,000 a year a $400,000 speaking fee cancels 2 years of pension payments.

  • Phil M. Kelley

    For those of you with your heads in the sand, President Trump refuses to accept his presidential salary.

    • piper60

      I imagine Rockefella would have done the same-beneath his dignity y’know!?

      • Phil M. Kelley

        I presume you mean Nelson Rockefeller, who never managed to secure the Presidential nomination of either party. We don’t know what Rockefeller would have done, but we do know that Hoover and Kennedy also refused the Presidential stipend. We can also safely wager that Democrat Kennedy would not even recognize the modern Democrat party.

  • jpc

    Cap the payments to ex-presidents AND repeal the 17th Ammendment so that there are term limits on Senators and Representatives !!!

  • Roy Beane

    It’s hell to have to live on a paltry million dollars a year, hope Walmart has some openings, or maybe Burger King. At least there they get to wear a cool paper hat and all.

  • Mike in Illinois

    See what TERMS LIMITS gets you?

    That aside, it is prudent to admit that former President’s carry with them knowledge that can not fall into the hands of enemies, heck some even in hands of allies! Investing in protecting this is not without merit. Indeed, we make that commitment when we hire them. Presidents have a 24 – 7 position for four or eights years, but so too they carry a lifetime sentence akin to a prison sentence.

    Who they associate with for the rest of their lives must be closely guarded, every day and every night. Those close to him must be guarded as well. This costs a lot of loot.

    By that same token, there is no reason for them to maintain and “office” beyond their study or their den. Just as we sign on to a lifetime commitment costly to us, so too must they do so themselves. Their “work” has to be DONE, as far as the “office” goes.

    At some point, you have enough money – right OBAMA?
    Ahem.

    • piper60

      How much not-betraying-the-country”by Bubba Clinton or Emperor Barry do we get for a cool $million?

  • anaveragejoe

    Well done now if only they actually do it instead of talking. They pontificate and do nothing.

    • piper60

      Talking cheap!Taking waumpumaway make enemies!

  • Barry Soetoro-Chin

    Besides a cap on pay, how about a cap on Secret Service protection? They’re wealth enough to afford to provide for their own security details.

    Who would want to kidnap or kill those four mopes anyway, especially the first and second worst President’s in American History and the Arkansas grifter?

    • piper60

      Obama will take some forgetting-especially since he let the Muslim Brotherhood examine and censor all our anti-yerrorist training materials-and then gave them a list of all the trainers who’d used the unexpurgated version andALL THE AGENTS WHO LEARNED FROM THEM!It’ll take years healTHAT betrayal!

      • Barry Soetoro-Chin

        Just another reason he should be in prison, rather than ‘shadowing’ President Trump as he dismantles the community-agitator’s so-called “legacy”.

        Obama – greatness was expected; mediocrity was the result. His ‘legacy’ is one of total and abysmal FAILURE.

  • Steve Ford

    Obama did everything he could to hurt white culture in American. Like many others he was taught from a child to hate and steal from the system anyway you can. He is going to continue stealing from us as long as he can.

    • piper60

      At least he doesn’t have any nuclear missile secrets to sell to the crazy fat kid, like Billious and Hillious!

  • Jenny O

    Good luck with that, Joni Ernst. The wealthy and politically powerful make the rules; a few may muster the integrity to support you enough to pass legislation.

    • Barry Soetoro-Chin

      Miss Ernst is trying to distract her constituents from realizing they didn’t elect a conservative, but another ‘beltway GOPer.’

    • piper60

      Ye Olde Golden Rule, Washington style:”He who hath Der Gelt, taketh der Rools!

  • TAPIT DRIvER

    Every one of those are bastards.

  • allright

    Obama was the most expensive president WHILE in office, so it makes perfect sense that he and the wookie would want to continue that trend.

  • disqus_D87XRi0Gy7

    Long over due but really if you want change then demand to your state representatives to join the Convention of Sates and re write and purge all this stealing taking place that these clowns wrote for themselves. The convention would have the power to do so…think about it !

    • Mike in Illinois

      First we oust the partisan politicians. Once the parties are spurned, then we can have a convention. Absent that, we can present one amendment at a time, possibly two when related directly to the same issue, without a full convention. We do, after all, have a bicameral legislature that does have the powers it is given. From chamber rules to full blown Articles of Amendment, this body is given wide latitude to legislate.

      • piper60

        Everybody claims to be scared spitless that the Convention would throw out the whole thing and start over!<ark L'vin, the main advocate, says the states can specify the problems to be solved when the convention is called, so the Bill of Rights would be safe. That was Roman Law, by the way. When the Senate appointed a Dictator, he got a year and a list of instructions, usually ending with "and settle the constitution!"

        • piper60

          Are those ALL ironic ?

        • Mike in Illinois

          A Pied Piper Botfail?
          Can’t wait for new episodes of Silicon Valley!

  • granddad1

    Why should FORMER Presidents be paid to have an office. They are private citizens when they leave office and the retirement benefits are more than adequate. They receive, not earn, a retirement pay which is more than most deserve.

    • Bal Doneusa

      Well, ole Harry, did not get retirement pay, in fact, Bess and Harry, left Washington, in the same car they arrived in. People would write to him, and he answered their letters, paying for the postage himself. As Susan P stated they were destitute. Now, today, a much different story. I could see a pension for the President, small office allowance, and Secret Service protection say for 12 years…not lifetime.

      • icueverywhere

        No office..for what..to do harm to this country..? Let him put his “office” in his museum…

  • Andrew Moore (derka derka)

    Lets start with obummers pay…..As I see it he sold out America so he should owe us…

    • piper60

      Think of all the waste his better half’s ghastly school lunch lunch slop cost when the kids wouldn’t touch it!

  • twidgetZack

    Sounds good to me, Maybe Trump can sign an executive order stopping the lifetime pay for congress too….

    • piper60

      Congress wrote all their goodies into law. A President can directive Executive Branch on how to perform their duties, but not legislator amend the law. Unless, of course, he’s Emperor Barry the Last, or Her Inevitabily, Princess Clinton the Hilarious!

  • gimmemymoney

    Ok…This is a good start… Next the high pensions for former police & fire chiefs who often go out on disability just before retiring so that their Pension income is partially non- taxable…

    • piper60

      Somebody else whose familiar with the Massachusetts Hack-a-rama!Some expert players managed a full pension after fewer than normal years, then get praise just before retirement, a job as a consultant immediately after, then another pension-and another job after that!Whitey Bulgerwas getting a fortune while a fugitive from justice-and one of the Bulgar Brothers was made President of the University of Massachusettsas a going-away present-for which he had no qualification whatever-and then hired members of his Winter Hill Gang as visiting professors and acting administrators!Something procrustion, something disgusting! Something for everyone! A pension for Life!

  • Just Saying-2

    About time.

  • Kevin Droopy McKee

    We should all force congress into creating term limits for every elected and appointed position! We should also look very hard at the appointed positions to see if we would be better served if it were an electable position!

    • piper60

      Imagine the Democrat Klown Car Actif Supreme Court Justices could be lynched twice!

    • oneprivateer

      Repeal the 17th Amendment and the power returns to the states.

  • Ujarak

    YESSSSSS! My god, yes!

  • Lino

    Will Obama share his pension with his loyal constituents who want something for nothing?

    • Andrew Moore (derka derka)

      ROFLMAO……DO YOU REALLY NEED TO ASK THAT QUESTION?

    • Steve Ford

      OR how about give any of his money he got from us to disaster aid like Trump. But then Trump is a real American.

      • piper60

        If you want to recover stolen disaster aid, you’d have to go after the Clintons-and THAT would be Blasphemy!

    • piper60

      Did the Herr Doktah Marty Luthor Rex?How about His Imperial Highness, M. Garvey?

  • eddy122

    FINALLY! Some common sense!!

  • CDG

    Wonder if they also get Ex-Senator or Governor pay as well??

    • Rosicrucian32

      yes

    • Bal Doneusa

      It varies from state to state, besides that is a State issue, Members of Congress have a basic Federal Retirement. Google Congressional Retirement benefits. It is quite detailed and depending on when they entered Congress the benefit changes. Don’t think there are any members now that get the older retirement. The “new” system came in around 1982. Anyone coming into Congress after 1982 are in the “new” system. The new system is based on number of years service.

  • DOCWRIGHT

    Excellent Idea. I respect them but they were all rich before they got there…. and richer after they retired. Gets my vote.

  • R A.

    Take THAT o’Bama!

  • Jenn

    Now, if they’d only consider term limits for themselves……

    • DOCWRIGHT

      Term limits for Congress would be one of the most liberating laws ever passed.

      • gimmemymoney

        At first blush that sounds fine… Term Limits were established in Kalifornia… and what happened is the Legislative power went to the lobbyists because all the new legislative members did not know how the system worked… So they depend of the Lobbyists to show them the way and to “help” them write legislation…

        So while Term Limits sound good.. It just moves the power source to unelected people…

        • oneprivateer

          The original concept was/is: Congress was to represent the people by election. The Senate was to represent the states! The state legislatures voted to select the State Senators. Terms were maximum 6 years two terms. But the state legislature could fire a Senator anytime and replace them. That is how the Founders designed it because they knew some party or individual would/may become powerful and want to take control. That is how the Founders planned to keep the power in the states. Wilson lied through his Bureau of Information (propaganda arm of gov.) Campaign to have the people vote instead of state legislatures appoint Senators. When the 17th Amendment was enacted the power switched from the states to DC hence DC Dictators now. Repeal 17th and all current Senators are retired and the States begin the process of appointing NEW Senators based on what the states desire. The Founders were geniuses. Donations to Senators mean nothing if they vote against what the State legislature desires. State legislatures are controlled by the people easier than DC is controlled by the people.

          This is a simple explanation. Feel free to comment and I will enhance the response.

          • allright

            You are exactly right – the Founders knew very well that DC would become the swamp it is today, because they knew that power corrupts the weak-minded and that absolute power corrupts, absolutely.

          • oneprivateer

            Thank you!

          • oneprivateer

            I am encouraged by the up-tics; 15 years ago when I brought this up in blogs it was very seldom agreed; most disputed my comments on this subject!

          • piper60

            As a practical matter, the Senators still represent the State political machines-and get control of much federal patronage return!

          • oneprivateer

            Still it worked better than it is now! And it has term limits which eliminates the boys club as well as at the state level the fight for power is reserved in the states NOT in DC.

          • oneprivateer

            Based on history the Founders knew/feared that some organizational power or person would come along and attempt to take over the government as has happened many times throughout history. They also knew/feared that the American people would not continually pay attention to exactly what was occurring in government. Hence as an example the last 100 years. The good people of the USA have had their head in the sand for nearly 100 years; especially after WWII as it became soft and easy in America compared to previous years leading up to the depression and WWII. They felt that the states should be the power of the government NOT DC. And the states had the power until the 17th Amendment.

            Hence Section 3 of the Constitution first paragraph.

            “The Senate of the United States shall be composed of two Senators from each State, chosen by the Legislature thereof, for six Years; and each Senator shall have one Vote.”

            I tracked the power every two years beginning in 1914 since the 17th Amendment. The power has stayed in the hands of the Progressives (establishment) since.
            The 17th Amendment took the people out of the equation and gave the power to the DC DIctators.

          • allright

            Good to hear; maybe the times, they are a chang’n…hopefully for the better.

          • oneprivateer

            Amen patriot!

          • Susan P

            You stated the original intent very, very well. I have been calling for the repeal of the 17th Amendment for years. Unfortunately, most of the voting public look at me like I have two heads because they have no idea what the 17th Amendment is or why it it so dangerous to the future of the USA.

          • oneprivateer

            Thank you! We must keep educating in the blogs as well as in eye to eye conversations to plant seeds as to this design. Several years back I had the opportunity to chat with a state representative. It was an interesting conversation.

            First I was introduced to said state legislature by a longtime friend that for two years would tell his wife that I was kinda out there. LOL. I was retired and studying. Once friend got it he actively helped the state rep to become elected and now has the state reps personal cell number so my friend can call state rep at any time. So he takes me to the rep’s personal office. We chatted and I mentioned that the 17th should be repealed so power returned to the states. The state rep immediately stated without hesitation “that would NEVER happen.”

            After explaining with somewhat more detail: after fifteen minutes the rep said with conviction; “IF you get to that point; I’m in!”

            So much for tooting my own horn but more and more are becoming educated to what has been erased in our schools. Thanks again.

          • jenshadus

            I didn’t know this. Thanks!

          • oneprivateer

            It is my understanding that the Founders did NOT keep minutes of the Constitutional Convention b/c they did NOT want a detailed record of what happened behind closed doors. It was very hot and they kept the windows shut so that individuals standing outside the hall could NOT hear what was being said because at times it was an all out argument. In fact in their personal writings there are mentions that you could hear slaps as a delegate spoke. The slaps were to eradicate a large horse fly that had settled on a delegates face or neck. LOL

            At one point they were at a stand still and were disheartened that it maybe that they would NOT have a country after ten years of revolution. Ben Franklin arose and commented that they were at an impasse: (paraphrasing) that for ten years they had prayed everyday to be victorious but now that they had won he admonished that prayer had NOT been as forth coming. Franklin suggested they take a break for a few days and go home and do some serious praying. They reconvened a few days later and hammered out a new country.

          • piper60

            That’s a reflection of the original Continental Congress! With no census data and no agreed way to apportion representation, they just let the colonial legislatures send whoever they wanted, one vote per state, determined by a majority of the delegation!
            While we’re at it, how about going back to first principles for the House and have one rep for, say, 50,000 people!It’d give us a use for some of the oversize NFLstdiums they can’t fi; anymore, and electronic voting would reduce the inconvenience of a large membership!

          • oneprivateer

            USA Constitution:

            Section 3

            The Senate of the United States shall be composed of two Senators from each State, chosen by the Legislature thereof, for six Years; and each Senator shall have one Vote.

          • Lee McLaughlin

            Excellent. Thanks

        • Lensgrinder

          If we have term limits in California, why has Feinstein been in office so long?

          • gimmemymoney

            The term limits in Kalifornia are for the state Assembly & state Senators… Not the Congressmen/women & 2 Senators we send to D.C… Two different but similar animals…

          • Lensgrinder

            Feinstein is a senator.
            Spell checker is your friend, it’s California

          • DeplorableNana

            Feinstein is a FEDERAL (US) Senator; the CA term limits only apply to your State senators.

          • mikeC

            WE would like to call it part of the Pacific Ocean. Waiting for the big one.I want my property in Nevada to be Ocean frontage.As for the spelling, there are a few names this far left state is called but I will not be nasty by putting them in this comment.

          • Too_Late_4_America

            no …. it’s Kalifornia.

          • jenshadus

            I think Kalifornia is better.

          • piper60

            U/nless Ahhnuldis Der Gouvenouer!Then its Kaliyforneya!

          • Lensgrinder

            If you want to argue with someone find a liberal. There are still some of us conservatives in California trying and praying to bring it back from the destruction that has been brought upon us by fascist leftist that moved here from other States and proceeded to wreck it.

          • oneprivateer

            Good luck Lensgrinder- I do NOT mean that sarc as it may have seemed if I left this part out. Since the Top Two Primary has been embraced by CA it is difficult to overcome.

          • Lensgrinder

            Point taken, but not All of California agrees with these idiots in Sacramento and San Francisco.
            Most of us feel that we have not had legitimate representation for many years and I wrote to Harris and Feinstein telling them so.

          • oneprivateer

            Very good! Unfortunately Communists do not care what you or I think. I think CA can be reversed as more people like you educate CA useful idiots. Keep up the good fight my patriot friend!

          • oneprivateer

            To add; in CA the Top Two Primary system which CA has embraced is leading to one party rule. One party rule equates to Communism.

          • Too_Late_4_America

            ….. uh, money???

          • piper60

            Big-Shoy-For-Lifeis the basic Der ambition!

        • jenshadus

          I would argue that since there is a turn over of only 1/2 the representators/senators, the congress would continue without the lobbyists.

        • Lee McLaughlin

          Fool me once shame on you, fool me twice shame on me. Same thing here. They only pull that crap for one term and then we get somebody that knows what they are doing and how to listen to the voters. Special interest groups are outlawed. Simple.

      • granddad1

        Repeal the 17th Amendment, return to the original concept and for the most part term limits for Senator would take effect.

        • oneprivateer

          You bet: it would end the good ole boys club in the Senate IMMEDIATELY!

        • tom

          President Grant died a drunk peasant, that’s just not right. But today the speaking fees they get are immense. That needs to be deducted.

          • jenshadus

            What a fabulous idea! Doesn’t the SSA do the same to retirees?

          • piper60

            Don’t forget the universities hiring the likes of Obama to corrupt da “youts”!

          • gwilson5150

            You’ve been watching “My Cousin Vinnie”, Piper…but, your absolutely right!

          • gwilson5150

            That’s right! Deduct their speaking fees paid from their Presidential Retirement Package….just like they make retirees on SS repay for monies they received for working after retirement.

        • piper60

          The boys in the state legislature would see to that! Like Parliament and Maggie Thatcher!

        • Phil M. Kelley

          Since Republicans control 35 state legislatures and even more governorships, the composition of the Senate would approach 70-30 under the pre 17th Amendment mode of senatorial election.

          • oneprivateer

            Yup… all appointed by respective state legislatures. And end of the boys club!

    • Laura

      Ted Cruz and DeSantos introduced a bill for term limits on both the Senate & the House back in January. Wonder when McConnell will bring that up for vote?

      • jenshadus

        Ha, ha, ha!!!! He and Ryan need to be booted out!!!!!

      • oneprivateer

        Never I suspect unless it is to show the “useful idiots” they (Senate) are trying! Cruz is grand standing; he knows they will not kill themselves. Besides NO establishment Senator is for term limits b/c that would end the good ole boys club. If it does come up for a vote it will be close like one or two vote loss and it will be orchestrated like the McCain fiasco when RINO Mccain flew back to DC to vote after surgery. Senator Hatch was asked a few years back if the 17th Amendment should be repealed and he said unequivocally “NO!” Cruz is a globalist. His wife Heidi worked for the Council On Foreign Relations (CFR), a globalist organization founded by the globalist and usurper President Wilson (1913-21). When Heidi worked for CFR she wrote a paper approving these disastrous trade agreements that have nearly ruined our country and she is not listed in membership as Heidi. Can’t help but wonder during pillow talk if the are really for American Sovereignty. The Cruz Combo are NOT pro America anymore than McCain is. By the way articles endorsed by CFA are NOT favorable to Trump. Your guess is as good as mine as to why! :):) LOL

    • piper60

      And have to get honest jobs? How?Between age discrimination, over qualification and lack of marketable experience and skills-they’d end ip on unemployment and the dole!

    • Barry Soetoro-Chin

      Political careers were never envisioned by the Founding Fathers, which is why the 17th Amendment (direct election of Senators) should be repealed, along with the 16 Amendment (taxing income) and the Federal Reserve (printing money at will, devaluing our currency).

      There were two excellent articles on American Thinker about a couple of weeks ago that you really ought to read.

      One, by Robert Curry, titled “1913: The Turning Point” (9/7/17) and the other by Mike Razar, titled “Can’t the Whole Tax Code be More Like FICA?” (9/5/17), calling for the repeal of the 16th and 17th Amendments and the elimination of the Federal Reserve, abolishing all forms of taxation at the local, state and federal levels and replacing it with one low National Sales Tax.

      Having State Governors appoint Senators is what our Founding Fathers envisioned. That way, if they didn’t do the job they were appointed to do, they could be fired by anytime by the Governor and replaced, thereby eliminating all that fundraising and campaigning.

      Woodrow Wilson’s tenure as President was the beginning of the end for America and Franklin Delano Roosevelt pushed us a little further along the Road to Serfdom.

      • Jenn

        Thanks, I’ll try to find time to look up those articles.

        • Barry Soetoro-Chin

          You won’t be disappointed, just skip most of the comments because they’re clueless poseurs.

      • oneprivateer

        To add: Wasn’t it actually the state legislatures instead of the governor that appointed the Senators? Because occasionally legislatures could not decide in time for congress to come to order and it was one of the arguments Wilson’s Bureau of Information (gov propaganda bureau) utilized to enhance a lie to con the American people into agreement for the 17th Amendment.

        USA Constitution:

        Section 3

        The Senate of the United States shall be composed of two Senators from each State, chosen by the Legislature thereof, for six Years; and each Senator shall have one Vote.

        • Barry Soetoro-Chin

          I think it was similar to the vice presidents role as tie-breaker. in the event of fickleness on the legislature’s part, the Governor cast the deciding vote.

          Even thought the term is six years, he could be fired at any time and replaced, unlike now.

          Our Founding Fathers were far more brilliant than most of mopes we’ve had since.

          I think it’s time to return to their vision for America.

          • oneprivateer

            Agree with you: IF it started with ONLY the governor appointing a US Senator that could be disastrous as to the people’s wishes in that state. Historically what occurred in close decisions in an individual state the vote would be postponed until one of the parties had a majority, It didn’t happen often but it did occur.

    • The Hammer

      Yes that is soooooooooooooooooo! true

    • bojohn38

      Sorry,,,, They have them! WE don’t use them! Stop voting for incumbents and we will no longer have 40 year politicians…

      • Jenn

        You have a valid point there.

    • B Bradley

      Term limits need to be put on a ballot during the general election so we can vote on it. They will never vote for it themselves. DC should not be a career. That’s what causes lobbying and bribes for votes, and campaign money.

  • Rose Ribitzki

    AGREE 1,000,000% ….. these rediculious perks SHOULD BE ELIMINATED IMMEDIATELY !!!

    • granddad1

      Lifetime Secret Service Protection should also be eliminated. This was initiated by, who else, Obama.

      • Babylonandon

        It had been in place for a number of years before Obama – it was cut off in 1994 with Clinton being grandfathered in as the last recipient and then Obama reinstated it. I’m NOT sure if it does apply to Bush, though. He fell in between the rulings.

        • piper60

          Clinton ans Bush can afford their own Praetorian Guards and office staff! It’s losers like “Killer Rabbit Carter”andEmperor “Barry the Last” who need help staying off welfare!

          • Babylonandon

            Pah, all those guys are rich. Peanut farmer had a whole lot of income before and after his WH gig – Barry gets all kind of money from OFA, his books, lectures, and of course Soros sees to it he is rolling in cash.

      • piper60

        Well, HE needs it!We can’t have Himself getting blown away! Think of the expense of building a temple to his memory!

    • piper60

      Why are we giving the two worst Presidents since the creation of the universe a$million a year!

  • Gary Rogers

    Absolutely agree. They shouldn’t even receive a pension. When did they vote this perk in for themselves? It wasn’t this way originally.

    • Susan P

      Pensions for former presidents was voted in by Congress after it was learned that Harry and Bess Truman were destitute except for a home in Kansas that Bess inherited. At that time, Congress did not believe a former president should go hungry or have difficulty paying his utility bills. Today, the amounts allocated are ridiculous and no living former president needs that pension. I think their pension should be cut to 50% of their pay as POTUS and NOTHING else. If they think they need an office and staff let them pay for it themselves. They are no longer working for we the people.

      • piper60

        Harry and Bess left town on a train from Union Station-and embarrassingly few Democrats showed up for the send off. Harry was never comfortable with all the trappings of office. Having the Butler “crumb”the table cloth with his little silver dust pan and brush drove him half berserk! But the alleged most powerful man in the world couldn’t get the White House servants to stop it!

    • piper60

      AS Congress gave themselves more and more perks and pay, they added the President into the party to keep them from getting cranky about the expense!