Education Dept. Faces Calls to Rescind Obama-Era School Discipline Policy

January 3, 2017
OAN Newsroom

Education Secretary Betsy Devos faces a public outcry and calls to revoke the Obama-era school discipline guidance.

One America’s Kristian Rouz has more on the controversial policy.

  • Vikram

    Discipline should be colorless. One law for all. The school should not have to disciple enough white students so that they can discipline a black student. That is the policy of Obama. It is a racist policy.

  • Jay77

    Where do these kids learn respect. That was a open ticket to disrupt the classrooms. They going to wind up in jail anyway because they don’t want to learn. Obama ought to be in jail himself.

  • GreatGrannyInAlabama

    “Spare the rod and spoil the child” – Samuel Butler, 17th Century Poet, inspired from the Bible verse in Proverbs 13:24, “Whoever spares the rod hates their children, but the one who loves their children is careful to discipline them.” Not spoiled in the sense of a spoiled brat, but in the definition of a human being… As bad, evil, rotten, a waste of good human flesh…

    Another favorite: “To educate a man in mind and not in morals is to educate a menace to society.” Theodore Roosevelt.

    The New Global Order (formerly called the New World Order) is working hard every day to destroy our morals and respect for each other. Just look how our past elite government leaders have referred to the “elders” in the real American society. The elderly are now being called “moochers” and the young have been taught that the elderly will leave our children with nothing. Once revered, the elderly are treated as senile and worthless and this is how the NGO wants it! They want the elderly drugged and in nursing homes because the elders carry the history and they are the only ones who can remind the country of it’s truths and origins. They are a direct threat to the NGO…

  • aranyani

    Betsy DeVos: END COMMON CORE

    • Arbeit Macht Frei

      Please explain common core.

  • Doug Ballou

    Catch them in their formative years, after that it will be an uphill struggle. Sadly there is no longer equal justice in this nation, thank your congress critter for that.

  • Back in the ’80s, it was commonplace for a teacher to be accosted and/or assaulted by an irate momma if her po’ li’l black chal’ was disciplined for bad behavior. Never mind that the kid had beaten some other kid bloody. He was just being picked on by the teacher for being black. That became a common attitude, and resulted in the first black POTUS getting in on the fray by basically setting quotas so as to limit the teachers’ power to discipline black kids.
    So the kids grow up thinking that nobody has a right to expect them to obey the law, and nobody has the right to expect morally decent behavior from them. That hurts them more than it helps them, because some spend the rest of their lives in and out of prison for their inability to conform to reasonable standards of behavior. I expect to be getting some bad comments here, but I witnessed this stuff first-hand.

  • C B

    Separate the Learners from the disrupting influence of the incorrigible one’s . Separate them by School . You will find at least some Schools will produce good students rather than none at all …….. And for the Union Teachers ? Your are part of the problem and useless to society

  • Pete Greco

    The Obama education policy is to follow the globalists agenda by dumbing down our children through college. This way when the time comes uneducated people would be easier to control. They also have said that it would be much easier to kill a million people than it would be to control them. What a sick attitude.

  • My Sharoner

    Parents wont even read to their kids anymore and the schools expect to teach them conflict resolution. I got news, didnt work! Schools are day care for a lot of families these days so mom and dad can go party with their welfare checks. Obama is an idiot and everything he did is being erased.

  • constitutiononly

    The federal government should remove itself from education, period. Close down the Dept. of Education and cancel the rules and cancel the federal money. Public education is the concern of the parents/voters within local jurisdictions and should be controlled and funded by them and not by the federal government, and not by the state government.

    • Arbeit Macht Frei

      Bring back ignorance!

  • Jeff Jeep

    Another Manchild policy causing more problems and violence in our schools. Return the discipline to the local schools and take the Feds out of it.

  • Xaphiero

    Pfft – no Constitutional basis for federal Dept of Ed. in the first place!

  • Richard McMeekin

    The OAN comment page editor will Bury This Comment because it is not anger-provoking, rather it’s absolute truth! He or she can’t stand History because they never LIVED in it; except for a pitiful fraction of the years I have logged. No ego here, no hurt feelings, just a reality check.

    I attended public school from 1936 through 1948. During the first year I was beaten with a ruler by a teacher on my left hand daily until my grandmother saw the bruises. She went to school and told the teacher she (the teacher) would be soundly beaten if that practice did not stop then and there. It stopped because my grandmother was a formidable woman. Why was I beaten? Because I was left handed. The daily beatings were supposed to force me to use my right hand! The latter beatings conformed with approved school disciplines in those days.

    When I read about today’s milquetoast classroom problems and practices I wonder if anyone realizes how it was in the educational stone ages. But then I am simply a doddering 87 year old product of that prehistoric system.

    Let’s see: I never have been convicted of a crime, or, for that matter been inclined to commit one. I served in my country’s armed forces for 21 years advancing from enlisted man to commissioned status and retiring in the latter. I volunteer to perform last rites to Hospice patients who are dying veterans. Primarily I volunteer because when my wife died 12 years ago, Hospice came in to our home and performed magnificently! I serve as a VFW Chaplain for one of the state’s largest posts. I have 3 children and 4 grandchildren, all of whom are college grads.

    I totally reject any attempt to justify the Obama administration’s reign. Philosophically black may or may not be beautiful, but neither should it be a blanket indictment of the entire race. I think raising black racial issues is the mark of the insensitive and insecure. For blacks reading this: If you visit history you will find there were Black slave owners as vicious as any white when it came to treatment of their slaves.

    So don’t preach to me about sanity in the school system. My initiation was Totally Insane. However I survived and so will today’s kids – if Parents Do Their Share of teaching moral and social behavior and instill a viable foundation of values in their youngsters.

    I am and always have been a conservative and I thank God for Donald Trump. I won’t buy or read this new book which is a White House expose. The media seems to be delighted to promote it on their news “shows.”

    Did I suffer from my early school days? Well I don’t think so.

    Bottom line: I won! I am Still Left Handed!

    • Ed L

      Well in Ohio in the 60’s if one was left handed it was just fine with the teachers.

      • SWSapphire

        I don’t get the point of your post… though Mr. McMeekin has an identical post(minus the 1st lines), that did not get held, and credits his grandmother for stopping the unfair & abusive practice.
        What’s fine with teachers(or a school’s policy) has certainly proven to not always be right, esp. when learning of some of the horror stories that occurred in private schools. Then, or now, wrongdoing should be confronted & ended.

  • Richard McMeekin

    I attended public school from 1936 through 1948. During the first year I was beaten with a ruler by a teacher on my left hand daily until my grandmother saw the bruises. She went to school and told the teacher she (the teacher) would be soundly beaten if that practice did not stop then and there. It stopped because my grandmother was a formidable woman. Why was I beaten because I was left handed. The daily beatings were supposed to force me to use my right hand! The latter beatings conformed with approved school disciplines.

    When I read about today’s milquetoast classroom practices I wonder if anyone realizes how it was in the educational stone ages. But then I am simply a doddering 87 year old product of that prehistoric
    system. Let’s see: I never have been convicted of a crime, or, for that matter been inclined to commit one. I served in my country’s armed forces for 21 years advancing from enlisted man to commissioned officer and retiring in the latter. I volunteer to perform last rites to Hospice patients who are dying veterans. I serve as a VFW Chaplain for one of the state’s largest posts. I have 3 children and 4 grandchildren who are college grads.

    Philosophically black may not be beautiful, but neither should it be a blanket indictment of the entire race. I am and always have been a conservative and I thank God for Donald Trump. I won’t buy or read this new book which is a White House expose. FOX seems to be delighted to promote it on their news “shows.”

    Bottom line: did I suffer from my early school days? Well I don’t think so. I am Still Left Handed!
    So don’t preach to me about sanity in the school system. My initiation was Totally Insane. However I survived and so will today’s kids – if Parents Do Their Share of teaching moral and
    social behavior and instill a viable foundation of values in their youngsters.

    Enough already.

    • SWSapphire

      Thank goodness, I didn’t get that for being left-handed, though in the late 60’s I was forced to use right-handed scissors, which has ruined any activity requiring a dominant side. I only do 2 things left-handed. When eating & writing(incl. painting & applying make-up w/my left hand which are very similar to writing). I throw a baseball, kick a soccer ball, bowl, bat, etc. right-handed, and not well in any of those, as a result. Sometimes, I start to do one of those, and am not sure which seems more natural.
      But my UK husband & many, many boys born in the early 50’s know the same experience. At least it wasn’t daily-though it was often for a ‘perceived’ misdeed. Boys were ‘caned’ – a regular long cane hit crossways on a held-out palm. My husband called it sadistic, except when used for deserved punishment. A mother showed up one time to speak out about unfairness, and saved him & her son from a caning that day.
      Dr. James Dobson, whose earliest book, Dare to Discipline in the 70’s(and one of Pres. Trump’s spiritual advisors), has stated it’s a close call as to what is worse – too much discipline, or lack of discipline, though excessive abuse comes out as the worst.
      But as you’ve written, you learned discipline(and even went through things you shouldn’t have had to), but remained a law-abiding productive citizen. As have I, and my husband. I would still fight against wrong-doing such as what you experienced – anywhere I could… but I think the past years still produced, for the most part, better human beings. (Individuals make a difference – my husband remembers 1 teacher who didn’t cane – the only female teacher in an all-boys school- the boys had a crush on her. She was pretty – but more than that, she was fair, while still maintaining discipline. As Dr. Dobson has said, appropriate discipline in schools makes all children feel safe in the classroom. If there is no discipline or fairness, then children become scared.

  • Charles Martel

    All forms of preferential treatment of blacks in schools and in fire and police departments (wrt to testing) should end. It will make them better.

  • rhinobuster

    Put the “baby mommies and daddies” in jail if their kids are disruptive.

  • Roscoe

    Cancel this stupid overreach of the federal government into local schools. If anything was imposed during the Obozo 8 years it should be rescinded, canceled, obliterated, or destroyed.

  • Erica Merovich

    I’m 65 years old and I remember when California education ws #1. I remember when the UC system was affordable and available to all Californians who graduated from high school. Now the cost is practically prohibitive. My own daughter in 2000 with a GPA of 4.34 just got in…..they started accepting way too many out of state and those with surnames of Wong and Martinez. I’m not racist, but the reverse racism isn’t right either.

  • Ed L

    I was reading that the dept of education has a civil rights division? To enforce civil rights. That division is being eliminated. Why? Civil rights enforcement is the FBI’s department

  • Ed L

    I think Betsy should make that new Movie “in search of liberty “ or how the constitution and bill of rights work for the people. Mandatory viewing in all schools

  • DrMitoFit

    School discipline is children’s first experience with the law and order they will have to deal with as adults…all for it. Now if Betsy can just bring back tater tots, then 8 years of Michelle Obama’s school meddling can be erased.

  • The other Donald

    Most of the troubled kids never met their daddy I would suspect

  • Wanda

    Now we will be told that this is the end of civilization as we know it.

    • Bud

      In this case, that would be a good thing.

  • Phi Lemon

    No text?

  • Rufus Firefly

    And you wonder why people of color know that Trump is racist.

  • DrMitoFit

    In the movie Lean on Me, principal Morgan Freeman cleans up and turns around a failing inner city school. His first act was to expel the disruptive trouble makers and then enforce strict discipline. This was based on a real life school success story.

  • KevinR.

    Discipline should be based on actual behavior and actions… not color.. not race.

    If you misbehave, if you cause disruption, if you damage property, if you break the rules… you should be punished….
    PERIOD!

    • Bud

      But but but, but it’s raysiss to expect black students to behave as well as white students. After all, whites weren’t slaves in America two centuries ago! /s

  • antiliberal00

    A better idea is to rescind the unconstitutional Dept of Indoctrination.

  • eladtoor

    Seems Fair! And Right!
    Why should schools be the only place in the nation where there is discipline?
    Why pick on the kids?!

  • Ed L

    Any school children that can’t follow the rules needs to be disciplined but not expelled

    • Bud

      That would depend on how severely the student breaks the rules.

      • Stonecrusher

        Do you allow infractions at home without some sort of punishment?

        • Bud

          What does that have to do with my post?
          Ed said students should not be expelled. My point, which perhaps was not as clear as it could have been, was that students indeed should be expelled if they break the rules to that degree. A minor infraction of course should not lead to expulsion; however, expulsion should not automatically be ruled out.

          • Stonecrusher

            Your post seemed to imply that only severe cases deserve expulsion. How do you equate “severe” at school with “severe” at home? Do you remove privileges, do you ground, do you require extra chores. etc.? All those fall under the blanket that schools impose which is expulsion.

    • Fergus

      In Singapore they cane those disruptive kids, how about America uses that method.

  • PainfullyReality

    The Obamanation of school discipline has hurt almost every school system. Bad students are still bad, borderline students are being dragged to the dark side because teachers are ignored when reporting discipline problems, and good students are being robbed of class time.

  • MC

    Schools are a mess; suspend students when they commit acts of misbehavior!!! Obama has created a color society that feels it is entitled and allowed to act against teachers just because of their color. Very sad that parents are the ones failing their children. What has happened to respect and manners???

    • Bud

      Respect and manners be raysiss.

  • LB

    If it’s a good idea, the local schools would have done it already. There are plenty of liberals in the school system. The feds should stay out of it.

    • Burrito Smith

      LB, Don’t be too quick to judge. After all, the Common Core program is a smash hit! Now parents everywhere don’t know how to help with a 2nd grader’s math homework! Everyone knows that Every time the federal government offers (or forces) to “help”, it’s a fantastic success.

      • Phil

        Common Core is not a success. It is rather a disaster and one of the primary reasons our public education system ranks #17 in the developed world.

  • Mr Springfield

    At the risk of sounding racist, I would have probably turned out different if I grew up in a house without a positive male influence (Dad) there to show me the way. Why we keep skirting around the real issue is maddening. Maybe the percentage of fatherless homes that these kids grow up in has a direct connection to the disproportionate amount of black kids being disciplined or jailed or am I just being racist again? Before we try to solve the problem lets first IDENTIFY the problem. It’s uncomfortable maybe but it’s cultural more than anything. Seeing it for what it is very important but like I said, uncomfortable to some.

    • Burrito Smith

      Look into Larry Elder’s AM radio show- I listen to it on the way home sometimes. He constantly talks about fatherless families and the death of black America; Good guy with stats to back it up.

    • old409

      Not nice to say and probably racist but the truth is,,,, Public Education has gone down hill fast since segregation took over.

      • Bud

        Correction: Since INTEGRATION took over.

    • Stonecrusher

      Where is the stigma about having kids out of wedlock, about having unwed mothers still in school, about being on welfare, etc.? Gone with the liberalized idea of what welfare should be. LBJ cemented the idea that no matter what the circumstances are, welfare is an “entitlement”. Thousands get welfare annually just because they are too lazy to work – even the illegals.

      • SWSapphire

        Seems his time was near the era of ‘free love’

        • Stonecrusher

          Doesn’t excuse popping kids without responsibility or ability to support them. You are responsible for yourself – do not throw that on society.

          • SWSapphire

            Goodness, no. I think it’s immoral. But even leaving personal morals out of it, our citizens – tax payers & non-fraudulent welfare recipients – should have NO responsibility for supporting people, who show, nor care about responsibility.

          • Stonecrusher

            My comment to which you in turn replied was not directed at you personally. It is hard to use the pronoun”you” in the indefinite state, but it is generic “you”.

          • SWSapphire

            Sorry about my misunderstanding. Oftentimes, a comment that shows as replying to my name is directly to me, but not always.

            (As well as, for me anyway, sometimes seem to end up far away from where it appears a person is actually posting them. IE – I sometimes have trouble finding my own comments.)

            Thanks for the clarification.

    • Gosomer

      True dat yo!

    • SWSapphire

      Yes, it’s been that way for a long time, as has skirting around the issue.
      However, O’s policies have made things infinitely worse. I think there are 2 issues that need dealing with now, instead of exclusively the first one you mentioned – lack of a positive male influence. That is extremely important, yet there are so many enemies out there of that influence – Hollywood, whether in TV or movies, so often portraying decent fathers as idiots, just one example.
      But when there is unfairness in the schools, that’s another major problem.

      Thanks for your post.

  • turnipweed

    If you’re black, you get away with things. If you’re among the ruling class, you get away with things. The middle class gets away with nothing. The rules apply only to us. Why do we tolerate that? We used to say “Don’t make me go over there.” It’s time to go over there.

  • willnkc

    Anything that Obama touched turned to crap. I’m sure these guidelines are no better.

    • kaiju

      Great idea for a horror flick “The Creeping Crap” starring BHO.

  • DrMitoFit

    If they bring back tater tots, there won’t be anything left of Obama’s legacy.

  • Varangian Guard

    The unfortunate fact of the matter is that many parents are hands-off when it comes to raising their children and are the first to complain at the school board when their children wander off the reservation. Do I agree with that? Of course not, but it is a fact and it is making teaching a tough profession to do right by. Too many students per teacher, and teachers being held accountable with no authority = passing students through.
    In Detroit, if the student attends the minimum # of days (shows up on the days noses are counted) and doesn’t commit a felony requiring their incarceration during the school year, they go to the next grade regardless of their performance. This is true in many suburban schools as well.
    This does not have one person to blame either, it is a simple case of degradation in a progressive environment over SEVERAL years causing a collapse in effectiveness. Detroit Public Schools has even cut back significantly on their Police Department letting many offenses go unaddressed. The City PD already is overtaxed and requires back up from the Sheriff’s Dept and the local Border Patrol agents to cover the territory.
    Teachers are not allowed to teach let alone discipline. Not much relief in sight.

  • a voice of concern

    When I was in grade school we all had an equal opportunity to get whacked on the back side with a paddle if we violated basic deportment rules. We all knew the rules and most of us ended up getting whacked sooner or later.

    • Spud51

      Ah yes, my backside remembers it well; and it had a positive effect on my perception of life.!!!

    • brandehhh

      As a mom, no to other people punishing kids. I’d flip sh it if someone hit my kid without my permission. Punish the parents for raising, or not raising, entitled, lazy brats.

      • gospursgo

        You are what’s wrong with today’s kids.

        • brandehhh

          Hahaha I’m an involved parent and my children are punished by me.

          • intimeforthedime

            Nothing like a good punishment from another adult to teach you the “world” decides who is being naughty or nice…not mama.
            Cause when your kids are out the house it will be the world that gives em a good kick in the ace. Unless they live in San Fransisco with you…

          • brandehhh

            Well when they’re adults, that’s called assault.
            Punishment fits the misbehavior.

          • Bud

            If your “kids” cause problems when they are adults, the response to their actions will be called self-defense, not assault.

          • brandehhh

            When you know better, you do better.

          • Bud

            Apparently not, in many instances.

          • brandehhh

            Not beating kids is a good thing, for the most part.

          • Laina Lambert

            Who said anything about beating offenders. As for swatting some out of control brat, give the parents a call. Give them options. Detention or a swat.
            I say” beat their asses!” Calm down that last part is a joke…. 😉 kind of 😁

          • brandehhh

            Call the parents. Most homes the punishment for a call home is worse than what they’d get at school and put them in detention. Easy peasy.

          • PainfullyReality

            I suspect your children behave very well in your presence.

          • brandehhh

            Actually no

          • Bud

            So if they don’t behave well in your presence, can’t you just imagine how they misbehave when NOT in your presence?

          • brandehhh

            They actually behave for others. I’m their mom, their teacher, their disciplinarian, I’m supposed to teach them how they are to behave. That is my job. There are moms who don’t take their job seriously, but I do. I don’t want my kids hit by anyone, especially at school.

          • CCTexas

            But they live in the world and should learn to accept their punishment from the rules they broke.

          • brandehhh

            So when is eye for an eye with adults that rape and murder people coming back? You want to be able to spank someone else’s kid or kids because some parents totally suck as parents but you can’t hit an adult that deserves it. There are parents in today’s world who are involved and trying to raise their kids to be not be disrespectful entitled hellions without beating them into submission. Just because it happened decades ago doesn’t mean it’s ok.

          • Paul TIKI

            No problem so long as theere are clear rules around what’s happening. Kid disrupts class: 1 swat. and so on. You get called and notified when it happens. Easy Peasy.

          • Larry Spiller

            I wish they wouldn’t have called home at all. If I had to get a swat at school Dad was for sure going to give me more when he got home.

          • Paul TIKI

            That takes me back! well, sort of. We didn’t get swats at school (we probably should have) We absolutely did get calls home and the “Just wait til your father gets home” dose of terror.

          • Paul TIKI

            No problem so long as theere are clear rules around what’s happening. Kid disrupts class: 1 swat. and so on. You get called and notified when it happens. Easy Peasy.

          • Paul TIKI

            Also there is a huge difference between beating a kid into submission and using a swat on the butt as a defined punishment or consequence for an action. We swatted the kids when necessary and kept anger out of it.

          • brandehhh

            If the parent agrees, maybe. That that is a part of their parenting style and how they handle their kids. Not everyone keeps anger out of punishment though. Kids are not punching bags.

          • Paul TIKI

            I agree. Unfortunately there is not a test before people become parents…besides the practical.

          • Paul TIKI

            Also there is a huge difference between beating a kid into submission and using a swat on the butt as a defined punishment or consequence for an action. We swatted the kids when necessary and kept anger out of it.

          • Laina Lambert

            Then your kids & you should have no issue with this then… Again, NO ONE is speaking about “BEATING” students. Why must some take it to the most extreme levels?

          • brandehhh

            Uh because it’s someone else’s kid that you’re hitting with an object more than once.

          • CCTexas

            Just because it happened for thousands and thousands of years does not mean it is wrong either. Spare the rod, spoil the child.

          • brandehhh

            Again, parents’ job to discipline. Not a school’s. They aren’t doing their job, which is to teach, but let’s give them another job of disciplining? Ha.

          • CCTexas

            I agree that schools are not doing their job of teaching. They also are not doing their job of disciplining rude and crude children. Schools are not instilling Patriotism, a sense of Religion nor are they teaching good citizenship. In fact, American Schools are NOT doing a single thing they should be doing. Fold them all and stop wasting my money on them. Disciplining today’s horrible children is a must. Since the children are obvisiously not getting any at home. Maybe fining parents that do not teach their children right from wrong would be a start. Right after bending the little heathens over a desk.

          • Stonecrusher

            Maybe, but you are a in the minority.

        • Justin Thyme

          EXACTLY!!

      • Bud

        Unfortunately, YOU are not at the school when your kids are disrupting class and causing problems. The school should be able to administer a couple of whacks with a paddle when needed. That in no way means that the school personnel can beat a student.

        • brandehhh

          Have you seen how they treat autistic kids? The ones that have no control over what they do? No thanks treating my perfectly healthy kids like that.

          • Stonecrusher

            Apples and oranges. The treatment of autistic kids is, as you allude to, more of a health issue, not a general discipline issue. The attitude of “hands off my kid” is what’s wrong. You’re not there to administer reprimand, so who can? This has to be an allowable decision on the part of the school. Otherwise we have the chaos that is rampant in the schools.

          • brandehhh

            Its not really. Autistic can’t handle or control themselves, for the most part. The farther on the spectrum, the harder they are. If mentally ill kids are treated like that, how do you think healthy normal kids would be treated?

          • Bud

            Mentally ill kids do not belong in regular classrooms.

          • FLLoeffler

            That is why they have “special education” in many school systems. We do not have this in the C.C., TX. school system! Sad to say that our better students have to learn at the speed of the slowest student in that class so they get bored!

          • Bud

            No, how do “they” treat autistic kids?
            No student who “has no control over what they do” has any business being in a classroom with normal students.

          • Laina Lambert

            Going extreme again 🙄

      • Chris

        Well I read the posts after yours and I have to say I don’t agree with them. My wife and I didn’t spank our children and they all grew up to be responsible adults and my oldest good parents of their own. All 4 of our children hold full time management positions with major retailers here in our area. And all thus without spanking from us and never from our school district. Spanking a child doesn’t guarantee they will grow up to be good adults. I was never spanked by my parents and I grew up to be a good adult who knows right from wrong. As do my children. So my compliments to you for doing the same. Talking and explaining right from wrong to your children is hard work and a lot of work but it will be worth it in the end. Raise your little ones the way you see fit. Not how others see fit. I’ve know plenty of people who were spanked and are always in trouble with the law.And I know some who weren’t and get in trouble with the law. In the end it comes down to the individual.

      • No Mas

        Im ok with a responsible adult dishing out an even handed discipline to all children,.
        The problem is the education system is full of commie socialist demonrats with a hate for American Constitution, History, and American Freedoms…
        Clean out the commies from our Education system and start over! Discipline is good! Sex with kids IS NOT!

        • brandehhh

          I’m not ok with an adult that is not the kid’s parent handing out discipline. The beauty of being a good parent is you can choose how to parent. You want to beat your kids? Knock yourself out. You want to allow others to beat your kids? Knock yourself out. But kids are not property. They aren’t punching bags. When you know better, you do better.

          • FLLoeffler

            to all those that keep answering this disturbed person Please read!

            1. Proverbs 26:4 tells us not to answer a fool according to his folly lest we be like him.

            2. Never argue with a fool, an looker may not be able to tell the
            difference.

            3. A thought from Mr. George Carlin,
            Never argue with an idiot, they will only bring you down to
            their level and beat you with excerience.

          • brandehhh

            Wow…. I hope you didn’t procreate.

          • Laina Lambert

            That was totally uncalled for. Is that how you teach your children to behave? Spewing nasty things concerning folks you don’t even know…….
            No wonder they out of your control 🙄

          • brandehhh

            Who said they are out of control? Mighty hypocritical of you….

          • Laina Lambert

            Then teach your kids not to act that way…. I’m beginning to think you may “beat” your children or you’ve been beaten. Since you don’t seem to know the difference in a swat vs a beating. Which are completely two different things…..

          • brandehhh

            You don’t teach kids obedience and respect by beating them. What was “cool” to do 20-30+ years ago is not cool now because when you know better you do better.

          • brandehhh

            Thanks, I already do. Still not ok with some random stranger being allowed to discipline kids. Its not their job. Their job is to teach which they are not doing.

        • brandehhh

          Also, I’m talking about kids. Not teenagers

          • No Mas

            Teenagers need discipline but I agree, physical punishment should be limited to isolation with schoolwork, & I recommend a mandatory walk-through visit at the local County BOOM BOOM prison so they can decide that not going to school, and committing any illegal acts that result in prison raping is truly what they look forward to.

          • brandehhh

            Yes, because obviously there is a percentage of rotten teenagers that have people thinking all kids need to be beaten. The bad kids, yes. And their parents. The kids get beaten or whatever, humiliated, disrespected at school and at home without good role models, crap will get worse. Instead of worrying about how fancy their offices are or what color the football field is, schools and school districts need to be investing in the kids and the teachers. Support the teachers. Support the kids. If that was priority again, then maybe the “trouble” kids could have the extra attention necessary to get them on the right track. There will still be rotten apples no matter what but physical violence should not be the go to discipline, it should be the absolute last. Especially when you’re trying to teach kids to be respectful of others while beating them, that doesn’t work. The punishment needs to fit the misbehavior.

      • tdf050658

        Guess I did my job. My kids never had to be disciplined at school because they knew whatever they got at school, it would be twice as bad at home. My kids learned very early that there are consequences to poor behavior. Had an educator felt the need to discipline my child, so be it, but I guarantee it would have only happened once.

      • SWSapphire

        I agree w/you at this point in time, b/c of the situation of today’s schools-the infiltration of a majority of liberals. I would not want someone I didn’t trust to be fair, to be allowed to physically punish my child. In fact, I would want to see proof of punishable behavior of any kind b/f punishment took place.
        But I believe the paddle was a good thing in the past in U.S. schools.

    • Aldo

      NOW they attack teachers if they are having to shut off their damn cell phones

  • a voice of concern

    What Is most interesting is that I believe the proponents of this get out of jail free card KNEW exactly what they were doing and what the end result would be and that is chaos, crime and MORE BLACK KIDS IN JAIL. This was the OBAMA ERA of trying to collapse the Western culture form within. Destroy the education system, destroy the military, destroy the middle class and make everyone a servant to the government via welfare & food stamps for modern day slavery of all races and all citizens. Obama was a very very sick individual.

    • dracolisk

      What you need to understand is, Trump is putting them into Guantanamo Bay for Tribunals for treason as we speak, he will be executed. Look up federal indictment 99-9920 and flight logs to Gitmo for the last two weeks, the entire globe is a war zone. Obozo’s law he made for unlimited detention is being used on Demon Crats and some Rhino repugs. The rats are running and the rat trap is snapping shut. How many marines are in gitmo now? flights from the entire world are going to gitmo. 🙂 Happy new Year!!!!!!

      • Erica Merovich

        So where are you getting your information?

        • dracolisk

          Various Truther movements and other channels, not gonna blow the sources, just google flight logs for gitmo, check whose twitter feeds have stopped, and ask yourself why are airports with back up generators for power go completely dark, the world is changing, look into what what CEO’s have stepped down, over 200 so far and many other signs. That is all I can say for now. Look at that for now, the info is out there, just gotta know how to look.

          • Bud

            Oh, please.

          • dracolisk

            Oh please yourself, and read the Bible, the truth, the word of God and his son, You know Jesus the Christ. So yes, That is the way it is.

        • Ken R.

          He (or she) reminds me of a famous statement a few years ago that, although philosophers have argued for decades whether a million monkeys at a million typewriters would somehow reproduce the works of Shakespeare, “now, thanks to the Internet, we know for sure.”

      • nagra bagra

        Yes, i have read the same information. But i won’t believe it until i see it. Too many info sources that you don’t know who’s side they’re on. This kind of info, if a lie throws us into a false security. We must continue to fight, regardless.

    • MC

      Obama was NOT a very sick individual; He was and is a very EVIL individual.

    • Disgusted Caucasian

      Quite correct. Common Core was one his most dastardly acts. Betsy DeVoss has yet to do anything about it after almost a year at the helm.

      • zakarac

        Common Core is a Soros” brainchild to destroy democracy.

      • Sunflower

        Don’t think she will either. Read the recent Truth in American Education website articles. Disturbing that pro-Common Core Jeb Bush is up to his eyeballs at the DOE.

        • HarryObrian

          Bush’s are just more simple minded puppets of the globalist elites who have allowed them to become rich to do their bidding.

      • ZTrapper

        I believe common core is now up to the states, not the feds.

    • red110306

      Obama sucks and so does any and all of his racist policies. The Trump Administration needs to restore sanity in the school system.
      Blacks are more likely to have run ins with law enforcement because blacks commit more crimes than whites do proportionately. It is a fact. I am so sick of the race card being played to cover for their lousy, anti-social behavior. I am sure I will be called a racist for this but I could care less. If being honest makes me a racist, I will gladly wear the title.
      MEGA = Make Education Great Again!

      • LILIBETH

        There is a terrible crime problem in the black community. 73% of all black children are born to women who have never been married. A recipe for disaster.

        • red110306

          They spit the kids out like a baby factory. The Govt.needs to crack down on unwed mothers. If you make a mistake and get pregnant out of wedlock, they will take care of you and your first new born. However, make that same mistake again and you are kicked off of any and all forms of Government Assistance. That would be the only way to get a handle on this outrage.

          • LILIBETH

            Reliance on “daddy government” created this problem. Rebuilding black families and self reliance is the only way to fix it.

          • red110306

            How do you “rebuild” Black families? Self reliance is a choice that Blacks need to make and then they need to do whatever is necessary to see that the change happens. That means they need to put forth efforts to achieve that goal. As long as the govt. allows them to freeload off of it, things will never change. I would much rather see training and placement in place of govt. handouts.

          • Aldo

            MAGA also = Welfare REFORM !!!!! GooooooooooooooooooooTRUMP/Pence

          • LILIBETH

            Getting rid of the government plantation would be a great start. Make people responsible for themselves. Families would then have no choice except to work and to pull together.

          • red110306

            But you know that will never be the case. The Govt. simply will not just close the Govt. money faucet. Training and job placement would be an excellent start. Those that refuse, get cut off Govt. assistance of any kind. That would also address your point for families to take responsibility for themselves.

          • LILIBETH

            Blacks will never be free until they are independent.

          • red110306

            And they will never be independent until they take responsibility for their lives and their futures. It is not our place to make them responsible citizens. It is a choice they must make for themselves!

          • LILIBETH

            Close down the government plantation.

          • red110306

            Exactly what is a “government plantation”?

          • retiredinnola

            Its one where the Democrats under LBJ conjured up a Great Society, in which you were given a share of the working mans’ wealth so that you could remain home and do nothing. In exchange for your vote, they will keep you in subjugation forever.

          • red110306

            That’s the Dem play book. I am looking forward to Trump’s revising the Welfare system. That should force a lot of the “do-Nothings” back to work.

          • retiredinnola

            Actually there is a very humane way to end the problem.
            1. Inform all that the welfare system will stop accepting new babies 9 months and one week from today. (This says, stop getting pregnant if you expect it to bring you money).
            2. Inform all now on welfare that they must get a job within 6 months.
            3. Inform all parents of babies now on welfare, between the ages of 1 day and up to 17 years 364 days of age, that in 18 years no more welfare will be paid to that person.
            4. Immediately form a welfare system that caters to the elderly if they have NO OTHER MEANS, and to the infirm if they have a proven illness that prevents work (to those under 70 years).
            More details are encouraged from all of you.

          • LILIBETH

            We do need to get able bodied people off of the government plantation.

          • Aldo

            tell THAT to a liberal – WE pay the taxes that pay for the unwed uncaring (small % hopefully) mothers on Sec. 8 – welfare – food stamps !!!

        • Aldo

          Larry Elders first reported that fact (75% fatherless black kids) –

          • LILIBETH

            Quite possibly 75%. No foundation to build on.

      • James Gatto

        Amen.

      • Aldo

        I AGREE 100 %%% – See obamASSES homeboy town of shitcago for stats !!!!

    • Mitchell Jennings

      Bingo.

    • James Gatto

      Yes he is. Should be executed.

    • Aldo

      AGREE 100 %%% – See obamASSES homeboy town of shitcago for stats !!!!

  • kaiju

    Keeping thugs in the classroom isn’t about getting them an education, it’s about denying one to every other child. Just another piece of BHO’s destroy America plan.

    • Larry

      I can tell you as an ex-educator that is 100% true. The inmates are running the asylum.

  • Flagfriend

    You can slap the title “racist’ on anything these days in order to avoid consequences for your bad behavior. But this tactic will not serve you well with respect to your long term success and well-being.

    “There is a way that seems right to a man, but its end is the way to death” Proverbs 14:12.

    • Varangian Guard

      When they hit racist in their protesting, it usually means they have nothing left to argue with. Unfortunately the politicians in their infinite quest for re-election usually cave in to these weak accusations. I like the use of the Proverbs in your statement.

    • zeitgeist

      Racist, homophobe, islamaphobe, etc. aka “one word lynchings”. Very effective at stifling contrary opinions and discussions.

      • turnipweed

        That’s 1 rule that most assuredly will not be tolerated, and will be enforced… unless you are homosexual, black, Muslim, or belong to the ruling class.

    • Javanne

      Somehow, the idea of implementing policies promulgated by people and educators who think

      Jingle Bells is racist seems absurd to me. Hopefully, Ms DeVos will agree and end the guidelines.

    • IceColdLogic

      Could I, for example, bump someone out of a 1st class seat and then call them racist if they complain about it?

      • Bud

        Yes you could, if you are a raysiss black official.