Democrat Sen. Joe Manchin Emerges as Possible Pick for Energy Secretary

West Virginia Democrat Sen. Joe Manchin (R), looks towards U.S President Donald Trump during a Supreme Court listening session at the White House in Washington, U.S., February 9, 2017. REUTERS/Kevin Lamarque

August 12, 2017

OAN Newsroom

The GOP may tap democratic senator Joe Manchin to lead the Energy Department, which could be a strategic move to boost its stalled health care legislation.

That’s according to Republican officials familiar with early stages of the discussion.

If the West Virginia senator accepts, it would allow the state’s GOP governor to appoint his replacement.

That would possibly put the party a vote closer to repealing Obamacare.

Currently Ricky Perry serves as Energy Secretary, but it’s rumored he could take over General John Kelly’s old job at the Department of Homeland Security.

A spokesperson for Manchin did not say whether he would accept the job.

163 Comments on "Democrat Sen. Joe Manchin Emerges as Possible Pick for Energy Secretary"

  1. Did he vote to repeal Obamacare? No? Then you can’t trust him.

  2. forceofone1 | August 14, 2017 at 7:56 am |

    Hell of a lot more that Pelosi or Schumer.

  3. I read a good article about Joe Manchin from 2012 and he is like in WV because of his independent politics. He is a real fan of John F Kennedy and aspires to be like him, which is more conservative than today’s democrat.

  4. If he has a drop of smarts he will tell comrade trump, not interested. I don’t serve at the pleasure of a racist bigoted coward who’s not willing to tell these nazi prks what they are.

  5. If he has a drop of smarts he will tell comrade trump, not interested. I don’t serve at the pleasure of a racist bigoted coward who’s not willing to tell these nazi prks what they are.

    • DangerousDeplorable | August 14, 2017 at 7:01 am |

      You are a moron.

      • Dress it up how ever you like with your stupid gd ranting—you are still a Nazi punk deserving of nothing more than a jail cell. With some luck you can join the azzwipe who just murdered a young woman.

        • DangerousDeplorable | August 14, 2017 at 7:22 am |

          You are really intelligent – not. You should get a job as the poster boy for the classes I taught – Special Ed. Most of my students had a higher IQ than you. You are the one ranting. I simply made an observation about your apparent lack of intelligence. Buffoon.

      • come and take it | August 14, 2017 at 12:42 pm |

        yes, don’t counter his point with an articulate argument full of logic, reason, and examples… just let the trumpanzeeism flow through you and simply call him names since that’s all you’ve got.

        trump and your mama would be so proud.

  6. Ricky?

  7. Manchin is trying to hedge his bets as West Virginia is going Republican and conservative.

  8. Donald York | August 13, 2017 at 10:45 am |

    Very tactful Mr. President.

  9. Can’t be any worse than some of the RINO repubs in office.

  10. Cant be any worse than some of the repubs he has nominated.

  11. come and take it | August 13, 2017 at 8:04 am |

    trump appointing democrats…

    of course no none should be surprised…he was a democrat for ~40 years till it became politically inconvenient, then he just changed the letter behind his name.

    same political viewpoints, just a different letter.

  12. forceofone1 | August 13, 2017 at 8:01 am |

    Some of these move make sense. At least someone in the Admin is thinking ahead. Not Sure about Manchin. Hard to trust any Dem.

  13. Hey Joe don’t take the job, when the use of coal disappears guess who get the blame

  14. Daniel Soliz | August 12, 2017 at 10:57 pm |


  15. Here we go putting another nerd in charge of homeland security. Let Perry go home. He doesn’t know where he is most of the time. Where is promise to rid the US of Energy Department, pass Education back to states?

  16. If Joe Manchin operates as a Democrat, he is a crook. He is not loyal to the US. Big mistake trusting this degenerate. Hard to believe voters in West Virginia this stupid to vote for a sicko like this.

  17. Section Ate | August 12, 2017 at 9:32 pm |

    This is a cunning move by DTrump. Don’t be fool, Manchin. Your WV governor just switched to GOP. THE GOP’s challenging you in your next election. As Energy Secy, you ain’t gonna get s. Hit passed while the GOP’s in the majority. DTrump’s poll numbers are extremely low. The House’s chances to flip are good because of DTrump’s low approval ratings.

    BOTTOM LINE: Stay put.

    • Trump’s polling at 49%. If you call that very low, you are really deranged as a libtard gets.

      • Section Ate | August 12, 2017 at 11:42 pm |

        “Libtard?” You’re the “libtard,” @Leroy, you idiot.

        • You are the libtard idiot. You moron. Snowflakes like you melt easily.

          • Section Ate | August 13, 2017 at 12:26 am |

            And raindrops like yo’ soft as. S makes a man melt inside yo’ alimentary canal, Cupcake.

          • You have to resort to your stupidity cause you don’t got nothing else sweet cheeks. Yo pathetic effimate ass is what I said you are….. punk. Give your boyfriend another suck you b itch.

          • Section Ate | August 13, 2017 at 6:01 am |

            Look, @Leroy, slowly remove the phallus from your esophagus & let the gamete ooze down, you dumb b. Itch.

          • Sorry you dumb b itch, you are the one with phallus in your throat and gamete oozing down the way you like it. You spin fails you and shows you for the fagtard you are Sucking Nate. Now show us what a dumb gay boy you are again so we can laugh at your ignorance you knuckledragger.

          • Section Ate | August 13, 2017 at 8:47 am |

            Nope. Sorry YOU dumb b itch, YOU, @Leroy, are the one with phallus in YOUR throat & gamete oozing down the way YOU like it. YOU spin fails YOU and shows YOU for the fagtard YOU are Sucking Nate. Now show us what a dumb gay boy YOU are again so we can laugh at YOUR ignorance YOU knuckledragger.

          • Nope. Your spin fails again cupcake. Face it dips hit, you are nothing more than a total failure. Sucks to be you. You fagtard loser piece of feces penis sucking troll.
            Reply again and that proves you are the imbecile i say you are. Idiot

          • Section Ate | August 13, 2017 at 11:56 am |


          • Did you wave your faggy little hand when you typed that you idiot? Lol! Gay troll.

          • Section Ate | August 13, 2017 at 10:28 pm |

            Yo’ momma’s a dude, you dumb b. Itch.

          • AlwaysTrump | August 14, 2017 at 11:22 am |

            impossible you idiot. Dont you have a freeway to play on?

          • Section Ate | August 14, 2017 at 6:28 pm |

            With yo’ moma, as. S. Hole.

          • AlwaysTrump | August 14, 2017 at 10:20 pm |

            Yo momma punk

          • come and take it | August 13, 2017 at 8:32 am |

            you gotta love all this faux-alpha male non-sense…calling everyone a “libtard” (even though you have no idea about their convictions) and “snowflake”, as if you’re some kind of bad-ass who’s tougher than everyone else.

            someone calls the situation out for what it is and your response is “LIBTARD!!!””

            why? cuz that’s all you’ve got.

            it’s the typical trumpanzee response. if you had anything else you’d be providing examples and having a classy, respectful conversation to show section ate is incorrect

            but don’t because you can’t.

          • Beat it dumb ass. You are just as stupid as that snowflake b itch boyfriend I replied to.

          • come and take it | August 14, 2017 at 8:16 am |

            yup, that’s what i thought…nothin’

    • Actually, I think it’s a win win. Manchin may do better by accepting the offer. He probably won’t get voted back in. WV tanked while dems were in control. Things are getting better now, but dem leadership has a tight grip on their party (what’s left of it) and I don’t think the people of WV want another dem in Washington.

  18. Steve Carter | August 12, 2017 at 7:18 pm |

    80% of the federal appointees and the majority of the second tier are still Obugga sloppy seconds.

    Mitch and his Sycophant Senators have intentionally collaborated with the progressives to prevent Trump making any Recess appointments. These idiots are clearly doing everything they can to prevent the President of the US doing his job. Isn’t that tantamount to treason. Clearly Mitch the moron is more important than Trump, at least in his own mind. Hate to say this but who voted for the gutless lickspittle senators that allow a power crazed senile old fart to dictate to them. Was it ‘We the People’ or is it Mitch the Muppet who appoints them and then has election or primary results adjusted to suit.

    Sorry GOP Senators but you need to repossess the single remaining Senate testicle back from Michelle and impeach your leader. He needs to be forced to retire because based on the Senates recent output with him in charge the Senate clearly cannot get even a days work done in a week.

  19. I guess Manchin will be the next one to hear your fired

  20. By Golly, so many opinions. Somehow I thought we only had one president at a time, and that Donald Trump was that one. He gets to name where he wants people, and I can easily see where Rick Perry, with his attitutude in Texas, would be very comfortable in Homeland Defense, in closing our borders to uninvited crossers. And at same time, I see Joe Manchin as a great choice at Energy, with his voting, and support for citizens of West Virginia. He always said he would not vote to hurt them, and that is reflected in his speeches, actions, as Governor and Senator.
    Where do the rest of you make your opinions, and on what basis? I look for results, and only support, not demand my choices. That is normal position for voters. Request, ask for, and vote for who represents me. Do I have something wrong with that trait?

  21. harrydweeks | August 12, 2017 at 5:10 pm |

    Actually in light of the Swamp critters being both Demon-rats and Rino-rats, this is a smart move to shore up another vote in the Senate. Trump is always thinking.

    • Any man in Congress right now who has a “D” next to his name cannot be trusted. Manchin has shown two faces for years. This would be a mistake.

      • come and take it | August 13, 2017 at 8:37 am |

        trump had a “D” behind his name for ~40 years, right up until last primary season. he even sent nancy pelosi letters praising her.

        he was a democrat alot longer than manchin has been.

        with that logic, trump can’t be trusted either.

        i’d have to agree with you.

  22. Steve Milanesi | August 12, 2017 at 4:55 pm |

    I never trust Democrats….With that said. Trump is very sly. He moves Manchin out of the Senate seat but he knows that in WV there is a now ” GOP ” governor. Suddenly Manchin seat goes to a Republican….A Trump Republican. And if there is a state that Democrats are totally vulnerable it is WV! Trump gets the one vote he needs to counteract McCain! Genius!

    • Steve Carter | August 12, 2017 at 7:23 pm |

      Nice analysis

    • come and take it | August 13, 2017 at 8:45 am |

      or you could just let him get voted out and replaced by the voters like the founders intended.

      y’know, all that stupid will of the people vs. rule of man stuff…

    • DangerousDeplorable | August 14, 2017 at 7:13 am |

      Some Trump supporters give him too much credit for these “sly” moves, like hiring that idiot Scaramucci or keeping the traitorous McMaster around, as if hiring Manchin is part of some master plan of great wisdom. The only reason I voted for Trump was to vote against Hillary. I don’t trust any farther than I could Trump Tower. He is like someone who plays checkers stumbling into a chess match.

  23. NO NO NO

  24. Why would President Trump trust ANY Democrat for any job..
    Can’t be trusted.

    • come and take it | August 13, 2017 at 8:34 am |

      because he was a democrat for ~40 years, right up until primary season a year and a half ago when he realized he couldn’t beat hillary for the d ticket.

      same viewpoints and politics, different letter behind his name.

      that’s why.

  25. Just Saying-2 | August 12, 2017 at 3:28 pm |

    Hell no. The climate change agenda will be his 1st priority. WTF

  26. Joe Manchin is my Senator and he is a middle of the road moderate. I would rather not have that. I want staunch conservatives flooding the cabinet positions and our government.

    • Happy to hear from somebody who knows.

    • come and take it | August 13, 2017 at 8:11 am |


    • westriversd1 | August 13, 2017 at 8:55 am |

      So he is probably more conservative than McCain, Flake, Collins, Graham and the rest of the RINOs.

    • DangerousDeplorable | August 14, 2017 at 7:14 am |

      You are not going to get that with Trump because he is not a stanch conservative. He is a middel of thr road moderate, at best.

      • come and take it | August 14, 2017 at 4:57 pm |

        no he’s a big government liberal, and has been for the last ~40 years. He was democrat that entire time. nancy pelosi has letters from him praising her hanging on the wall in her office.

        he only changed the letter behind his last name when he figured out he couldn’t beat hillary for the D ticket. even the leftists were smart enough to not fall for his empty platitudes.

        he saw an opportunity and realized that many of the morons across the country were blinded by their rage and would fall for a simple, dumbed-down populist message rather than voting for constitutional conservatives, and it worked.

        best part is people like you can’t argue that any of that is untrue so you resort to name-calling because that’s all you’ve got.

        prove me wrong.

  27. Why does the article say West VA Democrat (R) being considered for Energy Sec.? Which is he? I’ve been sick and missed the last few days of (real) news.

  28. Barry Soetoro-Chin | August 12, 2017 at 2:41 pm |


    Joe Manchin (D WV) is one of the reasons we have DumboCare in the first place. He LIED to the GOPe for their support based on Dumbo’s LIES about NO DEATH PANELS in his signature legislation. Both are proven LIARS, so what’s Trump thinking?

    Besides, Joe Manchin knows less about energy than Rick Perry, who wanted to abolish that moronic department because it was payback for getting the second worst President in American History elected – Jimma’ Carter (Commie GA).

    • I’m guessing he is thinking get Mancho out of congress, governor with appoint a republican, then you’ll have an easier time passing further legislation, health care, taxes; you’ll have that extra vote. Just a thought.

      • Barry Soetoro-Chin | August 12, 2017 at 4:26 pm |

        You could be right. Didn’t the West Virginia governor just switch party affiliations? The question is, can he be trusted to fill the vacancy with a fiscally and socially conservative person. After all, he misled his constituents by switching his allegiance. Just a thought?

        • Walter Nobel | August 12, 2017 at 10:03 pm |

          Well, the position is already Democrat. So if there is a chance for a more conservative person to fill the vacancy so much for the better. It is a gamble but what do we have to loose? If it went to a liberal we will still be the same as we are now.

    • He’s thinking about picking up a senate seat now before the election to compensate for McCain, Collins and Murkwhatshername. Clever actually and Joe can’t do much damage because he still has to operate under the guidance of the President. And he might turn out to be a good energy secretary given that the war on coal has devastated the economy of his home state.

      • Barry Soetoro-Chin | August 13, 2017 at 7:55 am |

        You could very well be right. Thinking outside the box is why Trump is a billionaire and the President of the United States, while I’m just moderately comfortable in my old age.

    • come and take it | August 13, 2017 at 8:15 am |

      yap, pretty much.

      unfortunately we’re seeing trump’s true colors.

    • The President is following the advice coming from Ivanka and Jared along with McMasters. Sad! They are not acting in the US best interest but for the Globalist cabal including Soros.

  29. This would be a smart move. A very smart move. The Dems would be pissed.

    • Just Saying-2 | August 12, 2017 at 3:29 pm |

      It would be insane

      • Why would it be insane? We need more moderates in Congress so they can get things done. They need to learn to work together. We have too many Ultra Liberals and Ultra Conservatives. All they do is hurl insults back and forth.

        • Just Saying-2 | August 13, 2017 at 3:26 am |

          Not going to happen. What the left wants for this country is not the country that has thrived for over 200 years. The moderates are not much better. I prefer they do nothing over destroying the Republic.

          • How would Manchin becoming Secretary of Energy destroy the Republic?

          • Just Saying-2 | August 13, 2017 at 4:02 am |

            He’s a rat. He can stay right where he’s at and let the voters decide. He is a climate change nut and I can see a cap and trade policy under this rat.

          • I lived in West Virginia years ago and have followed him for years. I have always considered him a moderate who didn’t always follow the liberal line. In fact he usually caused nervousness amongst the Dems. I try to avoid calling folks names like “rat’ just because they have different points of view.

          • Just Saying-2 | August 13, 2017 at 4:45 am |

            I’ve spent a lot of time there. He votes straight party line nearly every time. He’s a zero.

          • come and take it | August 13, 2017 at 8:42 am |

            and he knows he’s about to get voted out.

            he’s just trying tomhold onto some kind of power and a government paycheck.

        • come and take it | August 13, 2017 at 9:08 am |

          the only thing i want “getting done” in congress is gridlock or repealing laws.

          the only way that happens is with conservatives.

          anything else is just more infringment on citizens rights.

    • come and take it | August 13, 2017 at 8:40 am |

      appointing a democrat would be a smart move?

      did you learn nothing over the last 8 years with democrats running all the federal bureaucracy?

      • The West Virginia governor would appoint a Republican to replace him. That would give the GOP 53 members in the Senate and hopefully the necessary votes to get rid of Obamacare. He is a moderate Democrat, sort of like McCain is a moderate Republican.
        That would cause a big kerfuffle amongst the Dems. Do you like Obamacare?

        • come and take it | August 14, 2017 at 8:37 am |

          nope, i don’t like any kind of gov’t involvement in healthcare.

          nor do i like mccain, and i certainly don’t want anymore people like him with any sort of power.

          the only thing trump needs to get obamacare repealed is some actual leadership ability.

  30. I just don’t trust any democrat right now… especially in energy… where Obama got cap and trade even though Congress shot all his Cap and Trade bills down. I want to cut the regulatory power of all federal agencies.

    • Steve Carter | August 12, 2017 at 6:40 pm |

      Not sure who ‘We the people’ can trust in either party. One thing is for sure the elected representatives are almost all bought and paid for thanks to the Supreme Court Citizens United decision.

      • Yes, the CU decision should be reversed, and host of other decisions engineered to take the reigns of our government out of the people’s hands.

        • So you must a member of the enlightened few who are able to see past all the campaign advertising and vote for the person you think will best serve the people while all the other uninformed , unwashed masses are too gullible to think for themselves. Well, are you special.

          • Not special. Diligent.

          • No, arrogant.

          • ooohhh…and you were doing so well, there…tsk-tsk…

          • Just calling what it is.

          • HarryObrian | August 13, 2017 at 3:37 am |

            You must work for that useless and rigid, six sided box called the de-education system.

          • You couldn’t be more wrong. Not that it matters. That’s part of the problem. Too often we judge ideas based on the source rather than the content of the idea itself.

          • LuciusAnnaeusSeneca | August 13, 2017 at 3:42 am |

            Good point, LB. Citizens United and similar decisions may make our political process messier, but at the end of the day every citizen is responsible for being an involved and informed voter. It is up to them to inform themselves of issues that affect them, and vote accordingly.

            And there is no short cut to this. Each voter/taxpayer has to inform himself, and to his satisfaction and confidence. In general, those railing against Citizens United are not doing so because it is an obstacle to having an informed electorate. It is instead all about the means and motives of trying to influence the electorate through the media.

    • westriversd1 | August 13, 2017 at 8:46 am |

      Need to cut their bloated budgets across the board by at least 10 percent. All Departments except the DOD and ICE.

    • Ok so let’s play a game. We select Manchin for Sec of Energy. Then the governor of West Virginia appoints a Republican to fill Manchin,s vacant seat. Six months later the president could ask for the resignation of Manchin based on policy differences. end result is a one seat gain in the Senate and one democrat out of office.

      However I believe that Manchin could be a good selection for Energy. Coal is energy and is a huge business in West Virginia which obama tried to kill. It could be a win all around for Manchin, West Virginia Trump, and the Senate

    • I don’t trust any one in Washington any of them

    • antiliberal00 | August 14, 2017 at 11:11 am |

      I don’t trust the communists EVER !

  31. Ava Gardner | August 12, 2017 at 1:05 pm |

    Remember the Repubs that r favoring the Dems for all kinds of positons… so how is Prez Trump goin to get a damn thing done… I will not vote for Trump again he seems very WEAK to me.

    • PainfullyReality | August 12, 2017 at 2:04 pm |

      You have not been paying attention to all the things he has done despite fighting a congress full of recalcitrant children.

      • come and take it | August 13, 2017 at 8:18 am |

        what all has he accomplished, i mean besides executive orders?

        • westriversd1 | August 13, 2017 at 8:58 am |

          Got. Congress to cut hundreds of regulations and his appointments have cut hundreds of regulations in the EPA and Interior. These are not being reported much.

          • come and take it | August 14, 2017 at 8:56 am |

            cutting regulation is good, but it pales in comparison to what he should be doing…which is just getting rid of all the useless, bloated, unconstitutional, gov’t bureaucracies like the department of the interior and the epa.

            instead of doing away with them he appointed all his buddies to head them up. you know, why actually “drain the swamp” when you can just stir it around a bit and get a hoo-rah out of the trumpanzees.

            re: it not getting reported much, it’s not getting reported much because in the grand scheme of things it’s not very significant.

          • westriversd1 | August 14, 2017 at 3:50 pm |

            I agree with you, but Congress would have to do what you suggest, I believe and Oh, woe is me, think of all of the civil servant union members that would have to find real jobs or move out of DC area.

    • Just Saying-2 | August 12, 2017 at 3:31 pm |

      Starting to think you might be right.

    • come and take it | August 14, 2017 at 12:37 pm |

      astute, confident woman.

      now get back in the kitchen!!!

      (i’m kidding.)


  32. constitutiononly | August 12, 2017 at 12:35 pm |

    Lord help us! Rick Perry is fine where he is. We want a general in charge of Homeland Security, not a Democrat.

  33. All American | August 12, 2017 at 12:23 pm |

    I like Joe Manchin and Rick Perry. No qualms here👍🏻Standing with our Presidents decision. Also President Trump is hands on. They that cannot get the job by and for the people will be gone. You can take that to the bank!
    🇺🇸MAGA MASA🇺🇸

  34. Until our Energy Department was taken over by the conservative Rick Perry, appointed by President Trump, that department was used as a leftist, Democratic Party tool to practically destroy America’s energy independence. Putting a Democrat, even a ‘weak’ one such as Manchin, in charge of any department which is as critical to our survival as a nation, as is our Energy Department, seems a very questionable move.

    The reasoning for this odd choice may be that getting Manchin to abandon his Senate seat in West Virginia in exchange for the ‘dangling plumb’ at Energy long enough to elect a more ‘conservative’ replacement thus increasing the President’s conservative support in the Senate.

    Then, Manchin could be turned out to seek other ‘more fitting opportunities’ in line with his political beliefs and a true conservative could be selected to head up our Energy Department once again. We will have to wait and see if Manchin goes for the bait and what follows. Let’s hope this is the Trump plan for this episode.

    • constitutiononly | August 12, 2017 at 12:37 pm |

      As a native of Texas, I can say that Rick Perry is NO conservative. A RINO at best.

    • PainfullyReality | August 12, 2017 at 2:02 pm |

      Are you in the habit of just repeating the content of the article or is this an honor you bestowed on us today?

  35. Manchin is a tolerable Democrat. He is left, but not so radically so he is not someone you can deal with.

    This might be a viable option to consider…..but Rick Perry at Homeland Security???? Not so sure about that.

    • Just Saying-2 | August 12, 2017 at 3:31 pm |

      Where was his help on healthcare? Thought so. Screw him he’s up for election.

    • he has plenty of experience with the Tex-Mex border…so, that alone probably makes him most
      qualified for the position than any other ‘politician’, wouldn’t you think?

      besides, i’ll bet gen. kelly would be QUITE available & willing to discuss planning, tactics, etc.
      hell, he probably already crafted a detailed plan, for whoever would replace him.

    • Have you forgotten that Rick Perry flew C-130 aircraft, in Air Force, and I suspect he would be very strong in protecting our borders, and ensuring anyone in USA borders intended to become a citizen, not here for benefits from our national treasury. There are many training courses in military for officers and enlisted, and those who have seen the battle, or been involved have less sympathy for those who have not. Or for anyone asking for benefits, they have not earned.
      My 26 years service with such people from WWII veterans, Korea, and Vietnam, tell me he would be strong for Homeland Defense.

      • Your comment is rather unclear.

        Rick Perry has been semi strong on the border. He has been more into the politics than actual results, but he is not a bad choice, just that there are perhaps better choices.

        I also have seen Perry act as a progressive Republican in the same way Paul Ryan acts, so his appointment to Homeland Security might not be the best.

        • The county that Perry grew up in was Democrat, and he entered Air Force as a Democrat. After flying C-130 aircraft in military, he left service, went back to Texas and worked still as Democrat. Ran for first office as such, but changed parties, and ran as Republican for Lt. Governor of Texas, when George W. Bush was Governor.
          When Gov. George W. Bush campaigned for President, Rick Perry campaigned to be Governor, and was such for 8 years (new first in Texas). Austin is heavily Democrat, but rest of state switched to more Republican over border control, gun control, and spending. So like all in political offices, of earlier years, voting for issues switched back and forth, depending on the issue, and solutions offered. As it should be. No party is absolutely right, or wrong, and that is why they have discussions, amendments, voting, and more voting, until they produce something that majority of citizens can live with.
          Hope you see what I am trying to say, in my humble opinion. I trust him much more than those who vote only party, each and every vote. Remember, Senate has 100 , with each one having different ego, and idea.
          House has 445 with same set-up.
          Unfortunately, too many of them vote as the speaker, leader, or whip demands. That is when the train runs off the rails.

          • You are the one who seems concerned with party, and I do not think much of either.

            George W. Bush was not a Conservative, neither was his father. I made a mistake voting once for George HW Bush, and once for George W Bush, Rick Perry is not a real Conservative. Is he tolerable? Yes. Are there better choices? Yes.

            If you accept that Perry is more Progressive and leans left on several issues, but he is strong enough for you on border control that is your choice…I prefer strong border control, as well as other Conservative views , policies, and issues, including supporting the Constitution.

          • Then get off your hobby horse and smell the coffee. I do not want a true Conservative, , Moderate, Progressive in office. No Puritans, and I do not want to go back to Colony days, with the yokes for those not attending church services on Sunday.
            I want to get away from “It takes village to raise a child”. Put some teeth into parents being responsible for the children they bring into this world. If they cannot control their children, take away their car keys, ground them until you can. Political Parties need to step on their politiciians, like Maxine Waters who now states Trump is part of KKK That woman is dangerous and feeds to the rage of BLM. Just as all the other politicians who are playing “King of the Hill” and ignoring voters and the effects of what they do, or don’t do.
            And Press, media, television, radio, need to start being information, not gossip and throwing gasoline on every fire. They are the ones who throw gasoline on every fire (issue) to sell space, time, or effort.

          • You display a confused mix of opinions and poor understanding.

            While you may not want a Conservative, or any other mess of confused issues you mentioned…..I consider a Conservative to be one who endorses and supports the Constitution, individual rights, liberty and freedom, free market capitalism, limited government…..the way the founders intended.

            While I agree with some of your comments about the getting away from the “it takes a village” garbage, and the media culpability, I still seem confused as to your point regarding this line of discussion and that Manchin is tolerable for a Democrat.

          • You are stuck with confusion, as long as you look at the issues, with possible solutions that have been presented so far.
            I am not confused at all, and base my opinions on having been a coal miner 2 years, store clerk 2 years, and spending next 26 years 18 days in military service, selected by my superiors as Private to assist Classification Board, as they converted all personnel on Nellis AFB, Nevada from Army Air Corps specialty coding, and regulations , to Air Force Specialty Coding. I went from Private to PFC, CPL, SGT 8 eight months 1950-51 (mid). Sent to Lowry AFB for a class, and found the Master Sergeant had no experience in AF Personnel, but handed a book, told to teach the class.
            —–He questioned class of past experience, with me last. When I told him, he said “Bring your chair up here beside me. You will teach this class, and me at same time”.
            We waded through the provided material, then Sergeant opened the test envelope, and we all took the test, including the Sergeant. And using the small envelope, we checked results, and all passed.
            Back at Nellis, I was assigned to Squadron, where I became the go-to guy when Commander was asked questions about personnel, promotions, pay, etc. at Commanders call. I was promoted to Staff Sergeant in April 1953 (30 months to the day of entry into service. And If I had stayed at Nellis the next year, reenlisted at end of 4 years, I would have been promoted to Technical Sergeant in 4 years 1 Month. (Not too shabby for farm boy from Ohio, with HS diploma 1947).
            In 26 years 18 days of service, I worked with Classified, very sensitive programs, missions, equipment, and was responsible for my subordinates, with full authority and responsibility. And I worked projects,missions, that were Air Force, Air Training Command, Air Force Communications, all with SECRET, then TOP SECRET, and then TOP SECRET – SPECIAL INVESTIGATIONS levels. I coordinated with Air Force at Pentagon, Missouri, Illinois, and Texas.
            None of my commanders or superiors, from Sergeants through Officers, Flag Officers, and Major Commands found me confusing.
            After retiring 1976, I started working as volunteer with veteran issues for active duty, retired, reserves, and families, including senior aged dependents in 1991, was on advisory panel for two Federal Representatives every year they served in office (one 12 years, other 8 years), and both ran for Governor in 2014, with them recognizing me among audience of senior citizens (about 100). I got handshake from each, and hug from them and wife at that meeting, after they left the podium.
            And I have been very instrumental , in working to get new VAMC in Colorado, which will be completed January 2018 (about 8 years and heavily over cost) of need.
            So if you are confused, I suggest you think about what confuses you. At 87 (until November) I still get my phone call to legislators, answered.

          • Nice, you must be proud…..but other than spending an amount of time typing all of that….you did not do much….
            The topic was Manchin for Department of Energy, and Rick Perry for Homeland Security.

            What your resume has to do with any of that, is, to be honest…..nothing.

            I also have a long resume, but it also is not germane to the discussion of Manchin and Perry, though it does include national security…..

            Thank you, and have a great day.

          • 2nd comment: I don’t care whether the President is Democrat, Republican, or an Independent, (or ever from minor party) if they govern USA for all citizens, and represent all citizens. I never voted by party for most of my voting since 1958 until now. Democrats have not put forth a solid candidate since Jack Kennedy, which made voting decision much easier, due to not having any mixed emotions about it. Right now, I do not know of a single one of your leading Democrats I could vote for in good conscience. ; Joe Manchin shows good sense, and I wonder why he is still a Democrat.

          • I am not a Democrat, or a Republican, so your comment saying “I do not know of a single one of your leading Democrats I could vote for in good conscience” is rather absurd.

            I stated once that Manchin seems to be a tolerable Democrat. That does not mean I am one or that I support him.

            Since your comments seem confused, and I still do not understand your point, I will bid you a good day and call this done.

          • OKay, already. Just remove the word “your” from that sentence and it is still very valid. Manchin has shown more backbone than any of the other democrats, and does not have the obstructionist locked head. He votes for West Virginia folks, which I have historical connections to, and approve of their survival ability. Still have relatives and friends there I think a lot of.

      • He gave Mexicans in Texas lower tuition than state residents. Suspect he is. I would like to see Col Allen West in Homeland Security.

        • Oh, Gee Whiz.
          All by himself, he just reached into his bank accounts and paid their tuition?

          Do you not realize that when Texas politicians pass a bill with over-whelming numbers, Governor is stuck with signing the law. And if he had not signed the Bill, President Obama would have sent FBI and Mr. Lopez to Texas, investigated them and placd whole state on biased, prejudiced list,and place state on special, federal watch. That cost them extra, they have to change police chiefs, and city management (in this case) on State Offices.

          Don’t you remember over 100 USA cities that made that list, during last 8 years? Last administration, Illegal Aliens were superior in benefits and handouts, than citizens.

    • come and take it | August 13, 2017 at 8:09 am |

      so considering a leftist might be a “viable option” now?

      that what cheetos was elected to do, appoint leftists?

      • Manchin is not exactly a “leftist”, he is a Democrat, and may lean left on many issues, but he is not the same as Schumer, Pelosi, or most of the others….the sad thing is, Manchin is perhaps as good a Republican as some of the Republicans we have in the House and Senate, and perhaps even better than John McCain.

        • come and take it | August 14, 2017 at 12:32 pm |

          he’s a leftist. you even acknowledged that in your original post.

          anyone who’s a part of the democrat party in this day and age is a leftist.

          back to my questions though…is that what trump was elected to do, appoint democrats? that’s a viable option?

          • I do not care what you think Trump was elected to do.

            Manchin is not the radical Marxist leftist that much of the Democrat party is, and he is one who is reasonable enough to be open to ideas.

            Now, you can take your attempt to be divisive and Marxist in your own way and run back to your mother’s basement.

  36. And after that, fire him 🙂

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