26 People Dead, 20 Injured in Texas Church Shooting, Gunman Dead

Mourners participate in a candlelight vigil for the victims of a fatal shooting at the First Baptist Church of Sutherland Springs, Sunday, Nov. 5, 2017, in Sutherland Springs, Texas. A man dressed in black tactical-style gear and armed with an assault rifle opened fire inside the church in the small South Texas community on Sunday, killing and wounding many. The dead ranged in age from 5 to 72 years old. (AP Photo/Darren Abate)

November 6, 2017
OAN Newsroom

New details are emerging about the gunman who opened fire in a Texas church, killing at least 26 people and injuring 20 others.

Reports reveal shooter Devin Kelley’s in-laws attended First Baptist Church, but were not present during the shooting.

Officials say the 26-year-old was a veteran of the U.S. Air Force who received a “bad conduct” discharge after charges of assault against his spouse and their child.

Meanwhile, Texas police conducted a raid in his San Antonio home Sunday, searching for explosives and firearms.

Authorities say he was wearing a bullet-proof vest and was armed with a rifle when he began shooting as he approached the church.

A local resident grabbed his personal rifle and engaged with the suspect who then dropped his weapon and fled.

Kelley was later found dead in his vehicle after a brief chase.

Texas Governor Greg Abbott spoke out about the massacre, and ordered flags to fly at half-staff across the state.

President Trump and Governor Abbot have spoken with each other about the attack.

The president has expressed his condolences, and said he is monitoring the situation from Japan.

Hundreds of people gathered Sunday night near the church for a vigil in honor of the victims of the shooting.

  • nfcapitalist

    The USAF couldn’t keep the FBI lists for those who shouldn’t be able to purchase or possess firearms… the US Air Force!!!

    If the USAF can’t keep up with the list of their relatively small populations… how can we take seriously that any law passed by congress will make any new law regarding firearms and lists of those who shouldn’t possess them… enforce the laws and put those career criminals away for life.

    And any judge or public official who lets criminals out among law abiding citizens who commits crimes must be held accountable… there is a potential law I can get behind.

  • Bob McClure

    The story that the MSM is running with is Bull. If someone wanted to murder ex wife and in-laws they would go to their house, not a church they don’t even know if they will be there. It will come out later the ex and in-laws have never been to that church, MSM LIES to avert the real reason for the massacre. ANTIFA!!!

  • mark abby

    Ever watch the Walking Dead? And how that zombie virus seems to spread around? It seems lately there’s another type of virus spreading that is making people go insane. Mass shootings, mothers killing their own kids in violent ways, more hate violence on the streets, people shooting others over road rage. The list is endless and getting worse. It seems that people are just flipping out for no reason and attacking innocent people

    • john smith

      These people are not insane they are Godless. Their acts just seem to the Godly to be insane. They know exactly what their doing. This was just another man without Gods guidance in his life. This nation has turned its back on God, and this is what you end up with.

      • mark abby

        I’m an atheist myself, John, but I’m kinder and more humane than many Christians I know. I’m not a rabid anti anything religious either. Having god in ones life doesn’t seem to work too well with muslins, does it?

        There had to be a reason why people are just going goofy lately.

        • john smith

          Being Muslims is not a good example of knowing God or believing in God. The Muslim religion and most Christian and Hindu religions are just cults. That’s not what I’m talking about, I’m talking about those who know God and love God. Tell me when in the history of this country were things better, in the new “there is no god” era, or the old “there is a God” era?

          Many atheists will not murder anyone, but if put under the correct circumstance (for instance money gain) if they think they can get by with it they will murder because there is no punishment and no one will ever now. David Roland Waters, Gary Karr and Danny Fry all thought this way, along with Madalyn Murray O’Hair, her son Jon, and her granddaughter Robin how did it end up for them, both in their life and after, if there is a God?

          There is a reason why people are just going goofy lately but it’s not a defect in the water, its a defect in the heart and mind, and God is the only one who can fix it.

          • mark abby

            So, you’re going to lump all atheists as people capable of murder because we supposedly don’t believe there will be any punishment? You obviously don’t know many atheists. I can easily counter that by saying all Christians are capable of killing because the majority of killers are Christians and those who perform abortions are mostly Christians.

            But, at least I know that wouldn’t be fair, unlike you. There’s another reason why people are going goofy lately, and I’m going to blame it on drugs, both legal and illegal.

          • john smith

            I never said Christians weren’t killing as much as anyone else, did you really read what I wrote. And yes I did say all atheists are capable of murder if the gain is great enough. Also the majority of murderers in the world are Muslims.

            I’m not talking about atheists, Christians, Muslims or Hindu or any religion, I’m talking about people who know and love God, not religion. I do know you don’t know the difference, and that’s why you are an atheist. And if I had to listen to what the vast majority of religion teaches I would probably be an atheist also.

    • john smith

      These people are not insane they are Godless. Their acts just seem to the Godly to be insane. They know exactly what their doing. This was just another man without Gods guidance in his life. This nation has turned its back on God, and this is what you end up with.

  • Gary Lapple

    All of us who follow The Lord are at fault. The ungodly have been on the attack for 4 decades. Their intent is to remove GOD from our society. They worship power, money and hedonism. Yet we have sat in our comfort zones watching it happen and only praying for Jesus to save us all. The Lord wants us to take part in this battle. We should be saving lost souls, spreading the WORD and if need be take up ams against this evil. “Then said he unto them, But now, he that hath a purse, let him take it, and likewise his scrip: and he that hath no sword, let him sell his garment, and buy one.” My swords come in .357Mag and a few other calibers. GOD formed armies of the righteous in the past, it is now again that time.

  • monorprise

    Sounds like a deranged man who was not legally entitled to a gun managed to obtain one anyway and decide to wipe out his step mother’s Church.

    So we got 3 probems:
    1: He got a gun regardless of being banned from having one.(clearly gun laws only disarm the lawfull)
    2: He wasn’t stopped until a neghbors with a rifile managed to get over there and shoot back, at which point he ran away like a coward.
    3: His motivation was probably famly issues due to his broken family and likely anti-religous issues.

    Solution:
    Only possible solution to this probem is to have more people caring conceled weapons to shoot back. It took a neghbors many minitues to come to the rescue and police even longer.
    Clearly we can’t keep these people from getting weapons they are not suppose to have but we can shoot back and limit their killing time.

    Congress should add a major tax deduction for people with conceled carry permit. We need more good guys with guns to defend us from evil guys.
    We might also, check the social media of people on the denied list to see if they are breaking the law. Not that would be doable.

    We can also lock church doors automatically as only to allow people to leave and not enter.

  • Justsayin…….

    When they get all the guns from the bad guys and the security guards that protect celebrities, I’ll turn mine in. Until then, maybe an armed citizen can save an innocent life by shooting a crazed gunman.

  • ShemSilber2

    Condolences in the Name of our Master Yahusha (Lord Jesus) to all those who have suffered in this senseless act of violence. May He strengthen them in this hour of grief and trial.

    This bloody act is a shame on America and a shame on us who have Irish heritage, for how could his name be any more Irish than “Devin Kelley”? Now the killer is gone to the same uncomfortable waiting room (for the White Throne Judgment, per Revelation 20:11-15) mentioned in the account of Lazarus and the Rich Man (Luke 16:19-31), where the no-name rich man bawled from his place in Sheol, asking for Lazarus to go to him and soothe his tongue with a little water. What a shame for Kelley to land himself in that spot, when He could have been saved by trust in our Master Yahusha instead of sending some prematurely into His loving arms and leaving grieving relatives and friends behind and injuring all those other people. He’ll have plenty of time to think about that until the Judgment.

    There is rejoicing in the heavens for all of us sinners who have turned to the Master for His forgiveness and blessing, amein.

  • Jenny O

    I agree with the sentiment, but technically there were no Christians when Christ was born. 😆

  • john smith

    Thank GOD for real men like Stephen Willeford and Johnnie Langendorff How many more would that piece of garbage killed if not for them?

    What a big man Devin Kelley was, until he wasn’t the only one with a gun, then he ran like the coward he really was.

  • Mark Allan

    Many warning signs this article dose not mention. Bad mental health for years. Gotta start having back ground checks do a mental health sweep. From the research it sounds like his parents are a little off their rocker also.

    • Jack Green

      Efforts were made to close many mental institutions and merge patients into society and into group homes. Maybe I’m naïve and have the wrong ideas, but maybe it would be worth some tax dollars to reopen some of those institutions as well as hard labor in the prisons. No TV, internet, cell phones, etc. Rec. yard being the rock pile.

  • stevens123

    Fortunately other armed citizens were around to take action and prevent further loss of life. Curious to see how the libs spin blaming the gun for this one.

    • Varangian Guard

      They are already using some of the biggest idiots to say CONTROL…….
      They of course fail to mention that the bad actor was felled by a legal citizen gun owner.
      Convenience of venue…….

  • DefendTheFaith

    Atheist = demented lu-na-tic.
    An insane person. A person whose actions and manner are marked by extreme recklessness.
    A person legally declared to be of unsound mind.
    Atheism is a religion of evil and GOD haters.

  • Sui-Juris

    Officials say the 26-year-old was a veteran of the U.S. Air Force who received a “bad conduct” discharge after charges of assault against his spouse and their child

    A local resident grabbed his personal rifle and engaged with the suspect who then dropped his weapon and fled.

    Seems typical of people who beat up women and children. Gutless punk!

  • wvned

    The Lord is my shepherd; I shall not want.

    He maketh me to lie down in green pastures: he leadeth me beside the still waters.

    He restoreth my soul: he leadeth me in the paths of righteousness for his name’s sake.

    Yea, though I walk through the valley of the shadow of death, I will
    fear no evil: for thou art with me; thy rod and thy staff they comfort
    me.

    Thou preparest a table before me in the presence of mine enemies: thou anointest my head with oil; my cup runneth over.

    Surely goodness and mercy shall follow me all the days of my life: and I will dwell in the house of the Lord for ever.

  • Ken Knerr

    Nobody’s talking about this guy’s Antifa ties…

  • Patricia Widup

    If he was dishonorability dischagered, he is not a veteran. Please correct.

  • Cbrown

    Understand this: I am NOT defending Kelley. I just read another article that his classmates from high school all referred to him as a “creepy outcast”. I don’t think normal people really can grasp how it can traumatize a person to be constantly shunned, rejected, and rebuffed. It really messes with a person mentally. Heck! The Native Americans used to use shunning as their court of law; the person who was shunned always went off and killed themselves. Humans have a deep need to be socially accepted and acknowledged. For me, it reinforces the fact that the gift of life is not a good thing for everybody. Yes what he did was beyond monstrous…but it didn’t just hit him overnight to go do something like this.

    • Cbrown

      P.S. If this story doesn’t justify the enforcement of the 2nd Amendment, I don’t know what does!

    • Another Deplorable

      What you say is true, but there’s another side to that coin as well. When I was in high school, I was on friendly terms with a number of loners or semi-loners, and the thing that they had in common was that the things that put them on the edges of society were the things that they most vehemently held onto and claimed as their own. Some times you have to listen to those around you and change your mind. True, there are things that you have to hold onto, even when they go against the crowd, but I believe in Good and Evil. When you hang onto Good against the crowd, you wind up a productive member of society, and sometimes even a hero. Hang onto Evil, and you wind up being a malcontent, and sometimes a monster.

  • Alice

    We need to get smart and have people armed in our schools churches hospitals Etc. The best way to protect ourselves from nut cases is to be trained and armed.

    • stevens123

      We need to get real and address the mental health crisis in this country. There is a reason we don’t build castles any more, a superior offense will always win over a strong defense. Guns in schools, et al is just trying to build the castle walls thicker.

    • Rick

      Yes. “trained” is the key word. Former military/law enforcement volunteers need to step up. I’ve had a conceal/carry permit for years, but knowing how to take out someone in a crowd is something else.

  • Rick

    Satan is rearing up stronger than he has ever been since WW2. The greatest generation had to beat him down, but no one but God can defeat him. Here he comes again, and with a vengeance. He has found a nation that was blessed like none other in history, but has turned away from the God she worshipped. We are fruit ripe for the picking, folks. God gave us the most precious gift, the gift of Free Will. Decide right now to can your pride and get right with Jesus Christ. The people in that church did not die in vain. Our lives can be shortened just like theirs were. But they were ready. The prince of Darkness has declared total war on America.

  • Costa V

    Kudos to the local resident that stood up to him! Could have been worse if he wasn’t ready to defend.

  • davej

    Maybe it’s just coincidence but why is it when Hillary and Obama get closer to being indicted somebody goes and causes a mass casualty?

  • KMA

    I know I’m playing the devil’s advocate here ,but we all know that we have a mental crisis(Political atmosphere isn’t helping) in this country. Wether it’s lowering the morality and pride for God & country in schools or society in general. IDK.
    This might have been avoided if the military delt with this man rather than just boot him out. IDK

    It’s only going to get worse until we deal with the mental issues in this country.

    • Jack Green

      Don’t they have a quarry at Ft. Leavenworth where people like him and Bo Traitordohl and make gravel 12 hours a day?

  • J Rogers

    What is a “assault rifle”. If he used nunchucks, would it be a “assault nunchuck” since it is capable of multiple strikes in rapid succession? We have become extremely stupid……

    • Varangian Guard

      Can’t sell papers and laundry soap if you use the correct definitions. You’d put the sheep to sleep.

  • Varangian Guard

    Some are blaming the 04 Nov planned protests, I disagree and cite a reputable intel analysis issued today:

    Based on what I’ve seen, I don’t believe this to have been an “Antifa hit” as some have speculating. This sounds like a continuation of the charges of domestic abuse, and that Kelley targeted the church over these disputes. I’m entirely open to new information as it comes out, however, at this time I don’t believe that politics was the primary motivator for the attack.

  • Racer X

    People are going mad. The Bible says our enemy is not other humans but is Satan. Satan will rage at the time of the end because he knows his time is short. Christians are to battle from their knees asking Jesus to intercede on behalf of others. If you have a lukewarm relationship with the Father of Fathers then take notice and get on fire for Him. If you are cold for God and never have trusted in him for your salvation then turn to Him and follow after him.
    These worshippers died in the House of the Living God. They will be taken care of by Him. But the shooter will be in Hell for eternity. Do not walk of into eternity without knowing Jesus Christ as your Savior.

  • nfcapitalist

    First image of the shooter on FOX… chubby twerp with a beard… ISIS tool?

  • sanman99

    America, we must overcome and do our best to eliminate evil in our midst!!!

  • Joe samo

    Don’t allow progressive democrat-fascists to own guns…or cars…or even drivers’ license.

    • nfcapitalist

      Start with progressives, liberals, communists, democrats with the official tax payer financed ‘Federal Mind Control’ examination for ‘mental health issues.’

    • wvned

      It seems we cant even stop felons from buying a gun in a shop.

      • confedgal

        Do we know where he got the gun?

        • wvned

          Academy Sports. Legal transfer. The 4473 must have went through.

          • confedgal

            That’s crazy! I can’t help but wonder how that happened!

  • Re

    Way to go man grabbing his gun. More people need to get engaged and take back our freedom. The more people that do this the less crime we will have.

  • a non

    It turns out that immigrants aren’t who pose a threat to the U.S. — it’s angry white males. So, maybe Trump can kick them out of the country instead?

    • nfcapitalist

      See it now – they’re bringing out the white males as the enemy… seriously stupid?
      Fascists pretending to be Communists, sedition in the Main Stream News Media inspiring and encouraging insurrection… then what?
      1984?

      • a non

        What a hoot you are.

        • nfcapitalist

          So… you’ve got nothing.

    • wvned

      right to the racism

      • Vera Orsova

        a non is a well known troll. He has about 25 word vocabulary, so it is useless to try and engage him in a debate. Just ignore him.

  • Bob Romanelli

    The Left is behind this. They hate and want to kill Christians.

    • nfcapitalist

      They were communists until Stalin, Mao, and Pol Pot gave them a bad name, then they were liberals, read Road to Serfdom, now they are progressives but they’ve always been fascists.

  • Jonas Harp

    Every other report I have seen states a Dishonorable Discharge, not BCD.

    • nfcapitalist

      Bowe Bergdahl should have spent 12 months in the brig… but Col. Jeffery Nance turned him loose on us… remember when Justice was defined as the rule of law and not opinion?

      • confedgal

        Bergdahl should spend the rest of his life in a military prison.

  • nfcapitalist

    Prepare yourselves for the onslaught of the American Communist Party, (aka DNC) to disarm honest citizens when only our citizenry are able to be everywhere and must protect themselves or at the least stop these evil murderers from escaping to commit more violence.

  • William Brown

    Not only are the men armed but the women as well at our little congregation.

    • nfcapitalist

      Good guys with guns will fix this… no choice, bad guys with bombs, trucks, gasoline, poison, they won’t be stopped by disarming law abiding citizens.

  • Arny.Plumb

    Before liberals through the ACLU banned morality from the public school system, we did not have these kinds of crimes.
    Before liberals banned through the ACLU the use of corporal punishment we did not have these kinds of crimes.
    Before liberals through the ACLU fabricated the “gun free zone” concept we did not have these kinds of crimes.
    Perhaps the ACLU and the Liberals ARE THE PROBLEM.

    • Tim maher

      Amen!

  • cdb

    Authorities are searching for a motive for this shooting. They are still searching for a motive of the Las Vegas shooting also. The motives for these shootings might be starring you right in the face. Political thinking. Since the beginning of the Obama administration, anyone who didn’t have the same mind set as the liberals, have been targeted. It started with the occupy wall street fiasco, targeting capitalism as the cause of all our problems. When that didn’t work, they started trying to destabilize the country with a race war by igniting fear among the black community, making claims that ALL police were racist, and ALL the police were out to kill every black person they saw. Then creating the black lives matter crowd, who started protesting and rioting across the country. When Hillbillery lost the election to Trump, it got worse. They created the ANTIFA crowd who went about attacking everyone that disagreed with their point of view. Tolerance of anyone who disagrees with the left has disappeared. With the dogma of the left of, never let a good disaster go to waste, these shootings, caused by there campaign against the right, are the perfect target for their anti-gun campaign.
    All these pieces, put together, paint a bleak picture of where the democratic party is going. It has become the democratic/socialist party, sometimes called the demosocialist party, and are using violence to get their point of view and their agenda across to we the people.
    We the people now must start to fight back against their agenda. This Tuesday is another election day. Vote every single member of the demosocialist party out of office.
    It’s time to take America back.

    • nfcapitalist

      The news media are in the business of pushing every blood act of violence into their drama of conflict, it’s what they do. The mental health industry (quacks) will be lobbying for $ pretending they can look into the minds of three hundred million people when the veterans administration can’t keep up with three million veterans… it’s up to American citizens to defend themselves bc obviously our brave men and women in blue can’t be everywhere.

  • a voice of concern

    This is just SAD

  • Wilshado

    “While the suspect’s motive is unclear his mother-in-law reportedly had a PO box in Sutherland Springs.”

    What the heck is this supposed to mean??

  • landy fincannon

    The Saudi’s manipulation of the oil market gets 10× the coverage than this tragedy. SHAMEFUL! !!!!

  • landy fincannon

    Oh look, another government employee. Hmmmmm

  • Johnny G.

    I have been following this horrific killing since last night. (my early morning) It seems that the gunman just may have had a problem with churches, or he just picked this one because it was Baptist. The fact that the gunman killed himself is a sign of a coward and someone who hates himself enough to blast innocent people to death. I hope he is rotting in hell along with other cowards of his ilk!

    • KMA

      Did he kill himself? Thought there was a gun battle with a good Samaritan? How & why would he(had rifle) kill himself while driving?

      • nfcapitalist

        The Feds and News Media will eventually have to come clean that an armed citizen (shudder) tagged this dirtbag and together with another citizen chased him down… good guys with guns – our brave men and women in blue can’t be everywhere.

      • Tim maher

        Texas DPS reported in an update that the neighbor shot him in the leg and abdomen as he was running. After he crashed his vehicle he shot himself in the head.

    • American.Vet

      He picked this church for 2 reasons: 1. It was his in-laws church 2. He knew the church was a gun free zone.

    • confedgal

      He picked that one because that is where his inlaws (hopefully ex-in law) went. I suspect they were his target.

    • Tim maher

      He knows where he is headed for sure. Can you imagine the dread he must now be feeling as he awaits his judgment? Glad I’m not in his shoes.

      • Larry Huff

        You will be NAZZI, you will be!

  • Jock E Shift

    Keep calm and carry.

  • newsflash

    Stop referring to him as a Vet! He was dishonorable discharged and courtmartialed!

    • 210’s

      At least you recognize the deliberate misdirection played by the media. I wish everybody would.

    • Jack Green

      Low life at that because of his brutality to spouse and child. Saw a panel discussion on Fox news about the shooting. One of the panel was a Democratic strategist; her point was why we differentiate in the treatment of these domestic murderers and immigrants. I don’t see where they should be treated differently; capital punishment done quickly when there is no doubt about guilt. Second, eliminating the quota immigrant policy is nothing but fair to the citizens of the U.S. Absolutely moronic letting someone in without proper vetting. Why are the Charleston, SC and Boston marathon murderers still alive and being allowed to be breathing?

      • nfcapitalist

        I watched that too… she kept pushing mental health inspections for all 300,000,000 (million) Americans… when the veteran’s administration can’t handle three million veterans; another progressive nitwit pushing to further bankrupt America with no possible lasting benefit… of course the mental healthcare quacks will be lining up for $ and shrug their collective shoulders as they have since JFKs assassination with the same zero results.

        • Jack Green

          His Air Force behavior and crimes should have prevented him from purchases….if they were legal.

  • dmlinder

    It’s out now that the shooter was a militant atheist – this was an anti christian terorrist attack.

    • 210’s

      But but but, I thought the Christians were the violent ones! That’s what Rachel and Ed say every night. You must be an alt-right warrior.

    • American.Vet

      He was also a member of Antifa

    • nfcapitalist

      Militant… another way of saying everyone with a gun is a militant. Remember when we were children and thought adults were smart? The main stream news media is the head terrorist industry in America… and politicians are terrified of bad press.

  • nfcapitalist

    Now they’re trying to label this a mental health issue… business for the mental health quack industry… he dressed in black with ballistic body armor, drove fron San Antonio to Southerland Springs, entered a church and killed men, women, and children and tried to escape… that’s just a ‘murderer,’ not innocent by reason of insanity… idiocracy at its best!!!!

    • American.Vet

      He had on a ballistic carrier VEST, he did not have ballistic plates in it.

      • nfcapitalist

        How does that change anything… ballistic vest without the plate that could stop rifle bullets but defeat pistol bullets… is that your point?

        • American.Vet

          A carrier vest is only canvas or cordura, it is not soft armor. The vest only has a pocket in it that you can put a soft or hard ballistic plate into. He was wearing a ballistic CARRIER vest, NOT a ballistic vest. The vest he had on did not have any soft or hard armor in it. The vest he was wearing would not stop anything, not even a .22LR because it was only a vest.

          • nfcapitalist

            Thanks but again, how does that change anything… he was playing dress up, is that your point?

          • American.Vet

            It does not change the actual outcome of what happened, however… it goes to the fact that had just one person inside that church been armed they could have possibly stopped him well before he finally was and thereby reduce the carnage. The carrier vest provided zero ballistic protection and a legally armed individual could have potentially stopped him.

          • nfcapitalist

            Okay… got it. Still a shot to the face would’ve been adequate.

          • confedgal

            Unless you are proficient in high adrenaline situations a body shot is preferable.

  • Deny

    Prayers to all of the families…how horribly sad.

  • Armando

    There are rumors that this was an ANTIFA attack… Why isn’t this lead being investigated???

    • 210’s

      Because the MSM sympathizes with antifa. Not sure how or why but it pretty obvious.

      • nfcapitalist

        White males are bad… that’s the latest line with the left. Think someone, preferably a woman speaks the truth, who mines the coal, harvests the wheat or builds the machinery and then there’s the electrical grid, fuel, energy, buildings, pretty much everything you see was built by white males including that pesky constitution.

  • a voice of concern

    I AM SAD

  • Jeff Hill

    Well, now everyone knows why the Antifa rallies had the low turnouts Saturday. Between coordinating this attack along with the one in Vegas many of them were too busy to come.

    • Lawmadsen

      Maybe this happened because of the low antifa idiot turnout… November 4th was supposed to be their big “first shot of the civil war” but it turned out they were more prepared for larping than war. This probably frustrated this loser to try and be a Marxist martyr and take it to the next level to kickstart the war that they wanted to start a day earlier.

  • Tado

    US Mercenary Soldiers who Face dishonorable discharge should not be turned loose into an largely-unarmed society.
    They should be kept in prison.
    They were “trained killers”.
    The so-called US Army should be held responsible for the murders in that Church.
    Ban all Churches in small towns.

    • He was Air Force……DUH! So called people like YOU should be banned.

    • landy fincannon

      Are you kidding ex-military is where a good portion of new police hires come from.

      • Tado

        Police hires ex-military killers.

        • landy fincannon

          I believe the correlation is very strong

          • Tado

            Lesson: Don’t enlist to “serve in foreign souls”.
            For at the end of the day, the brainwashed mercenary recruit faces the real question:
            “WTF are we doing here?”

      • Tado

        Whatever.
        When dealing with “Police”, KEEP DISTANCE amigo.

        • landy fincannon

          But their greed is well documented

    • Visualverbs

      Calling you stupid would be an injustice to stupid people everywhere. You’re what Bugs Bunny so-called a ‘maroon’.

  • intimeforthedime

    How much you want to bet all the relatives and friends of this Nut will say, “oh my, I would have never thought such a good soul would ever have done such a thing, he was such a dear hard working good young mature adult. This is so not him.”

    We don’t ever see someone shooting up the local crack house do we?

    • Zotus

      Sure we do! Ever heard about drug & gang shootings in Chicago? Been in the news quite a bit recently.

  • Robert Dunning

    Another coward goes screaming into hell. Prayers for the victims and families of this senseless act!

  • Larry

    I can see NRA supporters coming out in full force, chanting:

    Guns don’t kill people.
    People kill people.
    People don’t kill guns.
    Guns kill guns.

    Did you guys ever stop to wonder how is it that (except for ISIS terror attacks) the US is the only Western country with mass shooting problems?

    • Jeff Hill

      If guns kill people then I guess pencils misspell words and cars and trucks are murderers.
      You are making it way too complicated. You want my guns, come try taking them from me and see how it works out for you.

      • Larry

        Pencils do not constitute a major security risk, and cars and trucks are necessary for transportation in today’s world. What are guns necessary for?
        Are your guns so important to you that you are willing to risk having hundreds of people murdered with them yearly? That’s what I call dedication.

        • So, because an object can be used for a purpose YOU agree with, it is acceptable to kill with it? And you are willing to see hundreds of people killed with knives, vehicles, because you use them? That’s what I call hypocrisy.

          • American.Vet

            Its the liberal mantra of “Everything I like is a right and someone else has to pay for it for me, and everything I don’t like should be illegal”.

        • American.Vet

          Firearms are necessary to stop people like this that are in illegal possession of firearms who target gun free places like schools and churches. Had someone in that church been armed they would have had the chance to end it long before so many were injured and killed. The shooter was engaged by a civilian who was armed as he exited the church. As soon as the civilian engaged him and shot him, he dropped his rifle and fled. Once again, the bad guy was stopped by a good guy with a gun.

        • Tim maher

          Beats the dickens out of having millions murdered by fascist regimes as history teaches us.

          • Larry Huff

            UMMMM, it is YOU who are the fascists dumba$$. Fascists are right wing.

    • I can see Liberals coming out in full force, chanting: People don’t kill, only guns kill.
      Did you guys ever stop to wonder how it is that people in countries all over the world manage to kill each other without a NRA to blame. Didn’t someone in China kill 33 and leave 143 wounded, with a knife?

      • Tim maher

        Careful. You know that facts offend liberals and sends them scurrying to their safe spaces.

    • American.Vet

      I can see liberals bury the fact that he was a liberal antifa member who targeted his in-laws church because he knew it was a gun free place and that those inside would not be able to fight back and the fact that he was only stopped by a good guy with a gun who shot him. As for the US being the only country with mass shootings, you need to do some actual research, you’ll learn just how wrong you are.

      • Johnny G.

        Norway is still recovering from theirs.

        • Larry

          Those attacks were (a) from homemade bombs, and (b)considered terror attacks, not criminal attacks.

          • Lawmadsen

            Anders Breivik?

          • American.Vet

            • On July 22, 2011, a total of 80 people were killed in Norway when
            Anders Behring Breivik, a political extremist, bombed a government
            building in Oslo and then went on a shooting rampage on the island of
            Utoya, just outside the city.

            • On March 11, 2009, in Winnenden, Germany, a teenage gunman killed
            15 people. The majority of the victims were children and teachers killed
            when the shooter opened fire in three classrooms in a local secondary
            school. The gunman shot two other people before killing himself after
            being cornered by the local police.

            • On Sept. 23, 2008, in Kuahajoki, Finland, a gunman shot 10 people
            to death after opening fire on a classroom in the Kuahajoki School of
            Hospitality. After killing the students, the shooter burned the victims’
            bodies.

            The data shows that it clearly happens in other countries, and in at
            least three of them, there’s evidence that the rate of killings in
            mass-shooting events occurred at a higher per-capita rate than in the
            United States between 2000 and 2014.

            .

          • Larry

            Thank you for these examples. I will look into them.

      • Larry

        If all areas would be gun-free and no-one were allowed guns, this wouldn’t have happened to start with. As for other countries with mass shootings, I stand by what I wrote,with the exceptions of terror attacks such as the Charlie Hebdo attack in France. But you do not see wackos walk into schools or churches and start spraying people.

        And guess why!

        • Lawmadsen

          you want to adopt Mexico’s gun laws?

        • American.Vet

          So we can just make the United States heroin and crack free areas and solve the drug problem then.

    • landy fincannon

      The UK has seen a 27% increase in gun violence. Australia will be melting down 58.000 guns and they’re both gun free nations as is Mexico.

      Now, if you think that the police can protect you at the drop of a hat, well, good luck with that.

    • Lawmadsen

      ever heard of Mexico?

    • Jenny O

      Liberals act so self-righteous and sanctimonious against guns more than they do perpetrators of violence, along with hollow concern about the victims–especially Christians/conservatives.
      Likely if they came face-to-face with a criminal aiming an illegal gun at them in a “gun free” zone/state/nation/world, they’d wish they had a gun rather than trying to pull out their phone and dial 911. BAM! That “poor, misunderstood” criminal pulls the trigger of that evil illegal gun. What?? Those police they malign incessantly couldn’t reach them in time?

      • Larry

        1. If guns were illegal, the chances of being attacked with one would be much smaller in the first place.
        2. I do not malign the police, let alone incessantly.

        • Jenny O

          Oh, so you DO identify with Liberals as I referred to them as a group in my comment.
          Elimination of guns completely by ceasing to manufacture them might reduce the chances completely. However, history proves that humans have been very resourceful in finding ways to kill each other.

          • Larry

            Yes, but their chances of doing so would be considerably decreased. Besides, I don’t label myself politically. I take each side of each issue by its own merit.
            Furthermore, the chances of a “good guy” being able to defend himself with a gun against a gunman are minimal at best. It almost never happens, except in the movies.

          • Jenny O

            Nope. I still say ceasing manufacture and eliminating all guns (by government, I presume?) ends death by gun. No illegal manufacture, either, btw….Peace and harmony at long last…. That’s your objective, right?

            The chances are “minimal”….to defend oneself?
            A rather presumptious assertion.

          • Larry

            How often do you hear that someone being attacked with a gun pulls out a gun and plays the hero?
            Yes, the chances are minimal.

          • Jenny O

            Why would you hear about individual cases? Media are capricious.
            Lots of incidents happen in urban/metropolitan areas that you never hear about.
            But, no matter. I suffer no delusion that I will convince you to the contrary, anymore than you will change my mind.
            I do appreciate immensely at the civility with which you have indulged me by discussing the topic, though. Thanks! TTYL.☺

          • Larry

            If I may return the compliment, it was nice debating with you as well. Have a nice day. 🙂

          • Tim maher

            It just happened. So much for your theory. You think no guns would be a panacea? Ever hear of bombs?

        • Tim maher

          They are illegal in Chicago. Want to take a stroll through the neighborhood and see how well that law protects you?

          • Larry Huff

            I live in Chicago moron. It is safer than the rural METH ghettos that you NAZZIS live in.

  • Section Ate

    Look at the bright side: After 27 people dead & 20+ wounded, white republican 2d Amend lovers are sleeping better tonight knowing a TX gun owner shot back at the Devin Kelley. (Psst. The dude drove to the county line border, for cryin’, though . . . )

    • CD Ard

      Better than that, the white guy with the rifle stopped the murderer from continuing to shoot, they exchanged gunfire and the coward murderer ran for his vehicle to escape. Another resident with gun joined the guy with the rifle in their vehicle and they chased the Kelley creep down into a field, held him at a distance until police arrived. The creep was already dead from a shot in the gunfire exchange outside the church, or shot himself. Who cares. BTW, you certainly know what it means that he had a long beard that he shaved just before his mass shooting? Hmmmm? And all that black garb he wore….hmmm?

    • American.Vet

      As compared to liberals who sleep good at night knowing that thousands of babies have been murdered and that blacks continue to kill each other in places like Chicago?

  • CD Ard

    New Braunfels is not a San Antonio suburb.

    • Section Ate

      So?

      • CD Ard

        SOOO San Antonio is irrelevant and the report is inaccurate. New Braunfels population 74,000 is a separate incorporated city 40 or so miles away from San Antonio city limits to the north. Details aren’t important in mass murders? Sutherland Springs is much closer to San Antonio to the SE with only 370 population and they don’t refer to it as a suburb. Why? It is also noteworthy since the shooter didn’t go to San Antonio or New Braunfels to execute people. He went far out of his way to choose that smaller town and church of Sutherland Springs. Random? Not likely.

        • Section Ate

          Oh. Okay.

        • American.Vet

          That church is the church his in-laws attend, that is why he chose it.

  • Johnny G.

    We must remember, guns do not kill, people do. With or without ammo, a gun would make an excellent paper weight. If a rock is used, it could make an excellent weapon. The deciding factor is still the human mind. You cannot legislate away the weapons. Fix the mind.
    May all those innocent people RIP………

  • Twinkle Toes

    As I read through the comments, I find incorrect information. To clarify:

    1) The pastor of the First Baptist Church in DALLAS, TX, Robert Jeffress was interviewed, however, he is NOT the pastor of the church where the murders took place.

    2) The shooter was not an antifa member.

    3) The shooter was dishonorably discharged from the USAF for domestic violence – beating his wife and abusing his child.

    There are comments here condemning the pastor for having no emotion in a news interview after his 14 year old daughter was killed. As I stated above, the news interviewed Robert Jeffress; they did not interview the pastor of the church.

    I hope we can be cautious with our comments, I don’t want to see us aligned with hate.

  • Greg B

    Johnny Cash did this?

    • CD Ard

      So did ninjas….but that was before ANTIFA and BLM who currently do it.

  • Swede

    Watch youtube and look at their comments people!

  • dawnatbeach

    Should put prayer back in the schools. A Godless nation is raising people without any conscience or accountability

    • Tim maher

      Amen! These symptoms are a result of sitting back and allowing evil people to kick GOD from our schools, work places and government. We need to insist on and fight for allowing GOD to come back into our lives. I am so proud of President Trump and VP Pence for leading as good examples in that regard. GOD bless them and GOD bless the USA a Christisn nation!

    • Brian Westley

      Should put prayer back in the schools

      Students can pray in school. Why don’t you know this?

      • CD Ard

        Only the Muslims can.

        • Brian Westley

          Stop lying.

          • American.Vet

            Please name a few schools or colleges that have a room allocated for solely Baptists, or Methodists, or Catholics to use for only their worship. Now name for us the schools and colleges that have a dedicated room for solely Muslim prayers allocated.

          • Brian Westley

            “None” for all of them. Any public school that offers rooms for prayer have to offer them to all comers. If you know of any that are exclusively for Muslims or any other specific religion/sect, tell the FFRF or the ACLU and they will correct it.

          • confedgal

            Those two groups will not because they are afraid of muslims.

          • Brian Westley

            Wrong, but you can make up lies if you like.

          • confedgal

            Then prove me wrong.

          • Brian Westley

            The FFRF stopped Professor Daoud Nassimi from pushing Islam in his U of Virginia classes.

            Also see the FFRF FAQ on their website on “Why doesn’t FFRF ever go after Muslims?” (spoiler: they do)

            For the ACLU, see ACLU vs.Tarek ibn Ziyad Academy.

          • confedgal

            Thank you.

          • Tim maher

            We don’t need anyone to “correct” our GOD given rights.

          • Brian Westley

            Try reading what I wrote.

          • Tim maher

            Once was enough. More than once is a waste of time.

          • Brian Westley

            For yours, once is already a waste of time.

          • Tim maher

            It sure seems to have peed in your Wheaties so that makes it a resounding success!! You ain’t seen nothin yet!

          • Brian Westley

            I’m not seeing anything now.

          • Tim maher

            Obviously, the blind can’t see.

          • Tim maher

            Crawl back under your rock. We will no longer tolerate your godless propaganda.

          • Brian Westley

            I’m just calling out lies.

      • Tim maher

        Christians can only pray if they hide it otherwise they are ostracized by the left. I’m talking about being free to openly pray and acknowledge GOD as a group if we so choose just like we used to be able to do before leftist political correctness became fashionable and they attempted to banish GOD from every aspect of our lives. Teachers being able to lead prayers if they so choose. Teaching children that there is a higher power who will hold us accountable for our evil deeds. We are no longer going to cower to leftist socialist propaganda. We’ve done that far too long and now we reaping the fruits of our inaction. Don’t act like you don’t know what I’m talking about and give me that liberal line “you can pray.” We are no longer going to hide our faith in GOD just to please you. We are much more interested in pleasing GOD.

        • Brian Westley

          Christians can only pray if they hide it otherwise they are ostracized by the left.

          Boo-hoo.

          I’m talking about being free to openly pray and acknowledge GOD as a group

          “As a group” does not include things like the entire population of a public school or a town.

          • Tim maher

            It does if that is the
            way they desire it to be. Not everyone is into puking up atheist philosophy.

          • Brian Westley

            It does if that is the
            way they desire it to be.

            No. Public schools and town don’t have “a” religion.

            Not everyone is into puking up atheist philosophy.

            Not everyone is into puking up Christianity, either. That’s why public schools and towns can’t have some kind of official religion or prayers.

          • Tim maher

            At least until we wrest our liberties back from the socialist/Marxist left.

          • Brian Westley

            That still won’t mean that a town or a public school has “a” religion.

  • john smith

    He was doing the work of his master. And his master will reward him appropriately.

    • CD Ard

      The usual virgin promise pay off.

  • ocean

    The shooter Devin Kelley was wearing a mask and
    dressed in black. The violent anti-free-speech Antifa
    wear a mask and dress in black. The shooter was a
    left-wing Antifa member.

    • TYvets

      Well, all apples are fruit, but not all fruit are apples

    • Ken Jones

      Maybe

    • River

      A logical fallacy. Lefty progressives use it all the time. Is that you???

  • All American

    Prayers for the families of those lost, those that have been injured, the community and for America🙏🏻🇺🇸

  • …remain calm and return fire

    The talking heads on TV are discussing a solution to the three afflictions…they want to enslave the people and leave the state to execute all resisters….real genius at work to save us…

  • SYG

    This is what happens when an atheist goes off the deep end, and in his warped mind he thinks he’s solving some sort of social problem.

  • Dan Pounders

    Member of the antifa movement no doubt…trying to start a civil war for George Soros?

  • a voice of concern

    “suspects motive”
    Well the only thing in common with the shooting of rep at a ball game, or LV or this one is the victims were all WHITE and predominantly Christians. I suggest the motive is the shooters in all cases were addicted to CNN and the insane hatred they espouse 24/7 against America.

    • TexasDeplorable1134

      Now that is a plausible explanation with the level of details that have been provided.

    • Greg B

      I am not aware of ANY mass murderers who were Christians, in any real sense of the term.

      • Twinkle Toes

        I believe you may have misunderstood ‘a voice of concern’. He implied victims were Christians, not that the murderers were Christian.

  • Defendthebillofrights

    From the beginning of recorded time man has killed. The reasons vary, as do the instruments of death, but the fact is we are plagued with this flaw in human nature.

    The framers of the constitution purposely kept that document simple for one reason, to prevent the intellectual argument from watering down the simple fact that any Peoples need the ability to protect themselves, or be condemned to standing by while innocents are slaughtered.
    Those who seek to do such atrocities DO NOT FOLLOW SOCIETIES LAWS.

    President Trump’s election was a step in the right direction away from the Bush NWO. As that house of cards comes down, and it’s supporters are exposed for their corruption, you and I are at risk from bombs, vehicles, guns, etc as they desperately try to prevent the inevitable. News flash, it will get worse.
    Our resolve to be the America of the founders is being tested. Like the colonists we will have to stand and fight or submit to their tyranny.

    I, for one, side with the great Chuck Heston … From my cold dead hands … Come and take it.

  • A marcus Young

    The pastor, oddly, showed zero emotion when he was interviewed on Fox News. Just hours before he had watches a mad gunman walk into his church and shoot everybody up. No emotion huh?

    • Swede

      yep!!! Finally!! One who at least says it is fishy!

    • Jenny O

      Maybe he was in shock.

    • Twinkle Toes

      According to the news, the pastor was not in the church when the shooting occurred.

    • Twinkle Toes

      Fox News interviewed Pr. Robert Jeffress of First Baptist Church in Dallas, Texas, not the Pastor of the First Baptist Church where the murders took place.

      • Zotus

        It’s easier to jump to baseless conclusions which spread falsehoods like wildfire than to take notice of facts. Good spot!

  • Swede

    Mr. Swifty is off his shift now…lol.

  • wvned

    The new plan is to shoot us until we OBEY

  • PatrickJ

    After eight years, we finally have a real leader. Like most of you, I am starting to get used to it. Having said that, I still have my fingers crossed. Because we have enemies. Some from the Democratic Party, some from the dishonest media, and last but not least from our own kind. Our beloved Rinos.

    They would all love to take Trump down. All of them. To see him fail. But while Trump is indeed a real person, he is only the symbol for the honest feelings of the people who voted him into office. You can’t blame Trump for this. If you don’t like what is going on right now, then you have to blame us. The absolute millions of Americans who voted him into office as our forty-fifth President.

    Because we are responsible for this revolution of ideas that is changing this nation right now. It’s how the whole thing works, actually. You elect the right person to lead, and then you get out of his way and let him do what he needs to do.

    That’s really all you have to do. While I know the Liberals would like you to think that it is far more complicated than that, I’m sorry. That’s basically it. The whole ball of wax.

    We elected the man to do a job. He’s doing the job. End of story. Me? I’m lovin’ the whole thing.

  • a non

    Just another disturbed white guy with a big penis replacement

    • Bret

      There are no black people shooting anyone in Chicago, right? But that said, this white dude was a monster.

    • CD Ard

      Uh….that is the entire population of Hollywood.

  • ELCID

    Early reports said he killed his entire family before shooting up the church.
    That makes the total number killed above the 27 reported killed at the church.
    A very very disturbed young man.

  • swifty656

    SWEDE, the reason is to protect me and my family from weirdo’s like you.

    • Swede

      WRONG….lol
      Go to the place where I posed the question.

  • Swede

    A “dishonorably discharged, white Air Force cadet.” “Devon Patrick Kelly,” with an A15 .
    Ohhh, this is getting real good! Look this stuff you guys and gals.

    • American.Vet

      Actually – he was convicted of domestic assault on his wife, sentenced to 2 years in prison and then dishonorably discharged from the Air Force. All three of those make him a prohibited person under both Federal and Texas State law for purchasing or being in possession of a firearm. He was only stopped when a legal firearm owner engaged him, shot him and then pursued and held him for 5-7 minutes until Texas DPS Troopers arrived at the place where he crashed his vehicle. Had someone inside the gun free church been in possession of a firearm, he may have been stopped much sooner and more lives saved.

  • swifty656

    Yes, the democrats all want gun control and finally I am inclined to agree
    with them. Since the Columbine massacre, if my memory serves me correctly, all
    the shooters have been democrats or youngsters raised by a democrat family.
    FINE, LET US HAVE TOTAL GUN CONTROL ON DEMOCRATS OWNING WEAPONS OF ANY
    DESCRIPTION. They are not mentally stable or civilized enough to own weapons.
    They have no desire to use them for self defense but just for murderous pleasure
    to satisfy a personal or racial/religious grudges. This way, RIGHT MINDED
    people wouldn’t have to decide that they must now carry a weapon going to
    church, the theater, a musical fest, the Boston Marathon, a trans whatever, you
    name it. We are about to arm our selves just to go to Walmart and when someone
    starts shooting we can deck them before they kill us or anybody else.

    YEP, TOTAL GUN CONTROL IS GOOD FOR ALL DEMOCRATS…./SWIFTY

    • PatrickJ

      Appreciate the humor.

    • TexasDeplorable1134

      Now that is funny!

      • Swede

        Another TROLL….lol.

  • TYvets

    What were the charges in the court martial?

    • CD Ard

      Assaulting his wife and kids.

      • TYvets

        Thanks… I saw it later.

  • Swede

    ..oh, I forgot to tell ya! Jade Helms was there too. They stopped the media for a while. HMM, I wonder why.

  • Jeff Hill

    Now everyone knows why the Antifa rallies had the low turnouts yesterday. Between todays shooting and the one in Vegas it must have taken many of them to help coordinate them.

  • Fred J. Trevino

    Because of an individual’s diminished mental capacity, the 2nd amendment abolishers will be trying to prop their cause, even more. All the nay-sayers will say that the second amendment is wrong, to them I say, I will defend my family’s life and liberties at all costs. Because of the 2nd amendment, I feel safe in any situation. When we as a people judge all by an individuals’ act, we lose focus of the real problem, procession of a firearm by an individual with a mental disease. Who knows what went through this mans’ mind and the same can be said about the Nevada shooter. In our great nation we should carefully scrutinize, in the mental sense, those who have and posses firearms and for the safety of all. I’m grateful for the authors of The Constitution, albeit written to an antiquated society, we must address these acts for what they really are, in modern times. There exist incredible factors in todays society where ones’ mental ability can be diminished, stress, insecurities, low self esteem, loneliness, etc. Tragically we cannot force persons with a low mental threshold to be disqualified from owning a firearm, but truthfully, it’s that type of profile that really have no reason to possess any firearm.
    We need to be sensible and more responsible as to who is deemed mentally unstable to posses any firearm.
    I and my family, all carry conceal firearms permits. We have been trained in the use and consequences of misuse of our weapons. We are also strong supporters of the Constitution and especially the second amendment. Please pray for our country, both present and it’s future.

    • PatrickJ

      Kudos Fred.

    • swifty656

      I agree with everything you sated here but, why are all of them democrats? Down through the years, they have been democrats and that poses yet another question about allowing anyone to own a weapon of any kind.

      • Swede

        YOU ARE A TROLL…LMAO!!!

      • Bud

        Perhaps Democrats should be barred from owning or possessing weapons as a matter of national security?

        • Alvin431

          He had received a BAD CONDUCT DISCHARGE (along with a year in “confinement”) from the Air Force after being convicted of Domestic VIOLENCE against his wife & son.
          HE SHOULD HAVE, and most likely was on the F.B.I.’s “Do Not Sell List” (NICS) making it ILLEGAL for him to buy, own, or be around ANY firearms or ammunition.

          • Rhonda Hodges

            It doesn’t matter because it is too easy for a criminal/POS to get a weapon if they want one!

          • Sure, Not

            If I remember correctly, form 4473 mentions dishonorable discharge, not “bad conduct” discharge. Are they two separate things? And if a year of confinement is appropriate, do we not want to hurt his feelings with a true dishonorable discharge?

      • Pantiger

        Why Democrats? An armed society cannot be controlled. Hitler knew that.

        • swifty656

          Because they seem to be the perpetrators of all our mass shootings. They don’t know how to act. Hitler would have shot them him self.

          • CD Ard

            He is giving you the answer. Democrats do it because they want to control. Disarming us gives them power.

    • caperick

      Well thought out. My guess is once again we will find a significant use of a psych med. These need to be seriously looked into.

    • CD Ard

      It is too easy to blame it on mental illness. Most of these acts are by anarchists, terrorists, and very likely are supporters of, BLM, ANTIFA or ISIS. They are enemies of the state and the USA. To call that mental illness is a stretch. They are evil followers of ideology and act out to get attention for their power grab. Power grab through intimidation and fear.

      • River

        All the limitations of mental health do come into play with the groups that you list. They all have an inflated sense of self-importance and the lack of compassion and common sense. Mental Health Institutions do need to be available to law enforcement, judges, family members and the military, among a few. You can thank the leftists for wanting them all shut down and encouraging the “clients” to run free in society.

    • CD Ard

      Shame on all of you for approving of anyone who refers to our founders as an antiquated society. This Trevino comment is the height of leftist snake oil. Obviously the mental people can illegally acquire all weapons including home made bombs.

      • chatty cathy

        Right. Because the conscience and morals of people don’t change. No matter how ‘antiquidated’ * (old) the society…conscience and morals of people don’t change. Period. Be they good ones or bad ones. Blame it on gun control, mental issues, sexual issues, opiates..whatever. NO one can control the conscience OR morals of another person. They can try. And they will. And they can make laws and new laws and they will. And they will even according to scripture eventually attempt to force us. But they can’t change who we are at the core. And morals/conscience have been the same since the beginning of time. The founding father’s were wise men. Every thing we see happening is due to the lack of conscience and morals vs those who have them. Even God gives us a choice. Bravo on you for seeing this. And I’m not going to argue with or go back/forth with anyone concerning this. Ain’t looking to fight. Merely stating my opinion. And it’s not just Travino..there are many, many more who think/feel the same as you’re surely aware. Have a blessed evening

    • Alvin431

      Let’s not blame it on mental illness. While in the Air Force he was charged & convicted of domestic violence against his wife & son. He was confined for a year & given a Bad Conduct discharge.
      His social media pages showed he had joined ? aligned with ANTI FA and other left leaning groups opposed to “Conservatives.” What better way too “exact revenge” on conservatives than to shoot up a place where they hang out? And a day after being called to commit violence and civil disobedience by ANTI FA & BAMN’s Nov. 4th “civil war?”

  • Swede

    I don’t know if you remember, but the LV shotting was a Hoax, and so is this one.
    Do you really think you would be together enough to declare your 14year old child was dead?
    How many are for gun control now…lolololol!

    • PatrickJ

      Aways an Idiot in the mix. This time, his name
      is “Swede.”

      • Swede

        I am a woman, and you need to be updated like most of these folks here on One Amerika News….:)

        • PatrickJ

          Well Swede. Watch this, while I delete you.

          • Swede

            I am waiting…and waiting and waiting….lol

        • TexasDeplorable1134

          Nothing to update. I expect more and more people will either get a CCL at a minimum or just open carry.

        • Tim maher

          That’s debatable.

        • CD Ard

          Who cares. It was already obvious….airhead comments.

      • tedlv

        And its spelling is 3rd grade level. “Shotting”???

        • Numerical Logic

          She’s probably not even out of high school, or dropped out.

          • TexasDeplorable1134

            No, she is a professional troll. Look at here stats. Over 16k comments.

      • swifty656

        I would think he should surrender his weapons too with a mind like his.

        • Swede

          NEVER!!
          What is first reason that you own guns? Lets see if you know…

          • Swede

            5 MINUTES IS UP
            The guns are for the government. The govt. is tyrannizing all of you.

          • CD Ard

            Your poor grammar. They are not FOR the government. Citizens have the right to bear arms for themselves against a tyrannical government and to hunt, and to protect their property and life. ACA or any version of it is a tyrannical government.

          • Swede

            It is a blog! And, that is exactly what I said!

    • TexasDeplorable1134

      Not me. Had somebody armed been there he most likely would not have had the chance to reload.

    • Tim maher

      Not me you fool. And I’m a life long Texas resident.

  • TYvets

    May the victims rest in peace and may all who love them be comforted from above.

  • Disgusted Caucasian

    Probably another Bernie of Hillary supporter…but…of course…they will never tell us. It seems like Conservatives in groups are fair game these days.

    • jill

      Hard heartiness… Politics had nothing to do with this. Hatred did. America will continue to have incidents like these until we become, “The UNITED States of America.”

      • Disgusted Caucasian

        Are you aware that the signature uniform of Antifa and BLM is all black? The shooter is reported to have been dressed in all black. Don’t bury your head in the sand Jill.

        • CD Ard

          Yes, bingo. They tried to make it sound like full battle combat fatigues, but all black is often ANTIFA and BLM. Very calculated act to get maximum deaths and maximum attention. Not spontaneous.

      • Bud

        As long as a foreign ideology of state control of every aspect of our lives is propagandized in our education system, we will never be a united country. At least as long as some of us still would prefer to confine the government to its legitimate constitutional functions.

        • Swede

          You can blame Common Core on the UN. The UN has got to go!

        • TexasDeplorable1134

          That is where I feel we should concentrate on. It seems the liberals went all out and infiltrated our public education system and over the years have modified it to promote liberal progressive ideals even to the point of slowly modifying history. Dinesh D’Souza pretty much explained it all in one of his books. It was the Democrats that wanted slavery to continue, it was the Democrats that started the Klan, etc… And they continue to push the rhetoric that the KKK is a right wing problem. Uuuuh, Nope! They are PURELY a left organization, just like Antifa. The time of blaming their opposition for their societal failures needs to end.
          I believe this points out a very disturbing agenda that we have allowed to continue. This is also a reason for the pushing of all the monument removals around the country. They are pushing to erase their (liberal Democrats) mistakes from future generations all the while rewriting history that is taught in the education system. Why would you erase portions of history? Would we NOT want to them to go away, so we do NOT repeat them?

      • CD Ard

        It is ideology, which is political and calculated. Why would you assume this man personally knew and personally hated everyone he shot? He is white of Irish descent and mass murdered whites. He has children. No racism indications here or indication of a personal vendetta…yet. He taught Bible school to small children at one point. This act was calculated not spontaneous. It was calculated and conducted to get the maximum amount of deaths to get the maximum attention. There was an agenda here, and there is no such thing as a lone wolf…..he was inspired by others, ….online or elsewhere. His and their politics.

    • CD Ard

      The FBI is compelled to hide and cover up everything as a CYA or worse. Ergo LV Paddock is now a cold case. How convenient.

  • SaidNO2Liberalism

    Chritians are being attacked, domestically by atheists, internationally by Muslims. Time to defend ourselves. No more prayers. No more forgiveness. NO MORE!

    • Numerical Logic

      What? You think b/c Christians are being attacked that they should just give up, quiet, stop believing in what they believe in?

    • PatrickJ

      Great comment.

    • Flagfriend

      Now is the time to double down on prayers.

      • jill

        Yes double down in prayer but there is more to it than that. I pray but God doesn’t want me to be a target. Have you read your Bible lately? The old testament is full of battles. Yes God was there however they didn’t just stay on their knees and pray. They prayed, heard from God, got their weapon’s and went to war. God went before them and the victory was theirs.

        • Jason Lamson

          You’re quite correct on that. Total is clear that depending on God alone to save you is sinful.

        • Rick

          Yes Jill we can defend ourselves against evil. God said “thou shall not murder”. Self defense against someone who is trying to murder you is not murder. But a nation who gets together in prayer to defeat evil has found the best way. Israel in the Bible learned this over and over.

          • Jenny O

            Israel learned it? I wonder. So many kings of Israel from the Old Testament did evil in the eyes of the Lord, so He destroyed them. They were quite hardheaded, as I recall.

          • Rick

            Jenny O, what you said is true. Remember, I said “over and over”. In the good book, the Israelites were hard headed. Kinda like we are today. They strayed away and did evil in God’s eyes. When God turned away and they were thrown into dark times, they came together and repented. They called on God to forgive them. God listened to their cries and redeemed them. Over and Over.
            Before the kings, He appointed Judges. The Judges were called to redeem the people from their oppression. This happened over and over. The people called on God to give them a king. He granted their wishes and warned them that absolute power corrupts absolutely. All people are born in sin. So are kings. We are no different than the Israelites. Read what they were doing every time they strayed and were redeemed. It boggles the mind. He was showing them that there is only one righteous king. He is Jesus Christ.
            After a long period of prosperity and good living, we are turning away. God will no longer bless this nation if we don’t turn away from our stubbornness. We are now seeing MANY movie stars and singers openly worshipping Satan. Our culture is absorbing this and we are being bombarded on all sides with perversion. How can one talk about all that is happening in this limited forum? The story of Isreal is the most fascinating story of all time.

    • Jenny O

      The US has been abandoning God for the last few decades. What do you think He’ll do about that, given Biblical history?

      • Tim maher

        Perhaps GOD is allowing our country to see what life without GOD is like since we sat back quietly and let evil forces kick him out of our schools, work places and government. Hopefully people will wake up before it is too late and restore HIM to his proper place in our country and in our lives.

        • Jenny O

          Quite right. Those of us who believe in God recognize and correlate historical Biblical evidence that He will indeed let us suffer the consequences of choosing Evil over Him.

      • CD Ard

        Well tell that to all your friends that knowingly voted to have a leader with Muslim and Marxist background. Tell that to all your friends who knowingly voted for a Commander in Chief that wrote a letter to the military stating he “loathed the military”. How nice of them to support a creep over the men and women who serve. A bunch of dumb sh..TS and illegal voters will have to answer for their evil support of evil people. Not me.

        • Jenny O

          My “friends”? LOL. I don’t have FRIENDS like that. ☺ I may have to associate with such as those sometimes, though. They wouldn’t take kindly to my conservative opinions.

  • Uncle R

    WTF, people?

  • PatrickJ

    I’m just as frustrated as the rest of you, but there must be a few things we can do to make things better and make Americans safer as they go about their daily lives.

  • Rick

    There has to be a reason why so many people are so twisted as to do something this heinous. Many people who knew these mass murderers say they were shocked to learn the killer would do something like this. A lot of the murderers are anti-social. Many have delved into the occult, have suffered what they think is abuse, but there has to be something that drives them in the end to become totally depraved.
    Back in the 50’s and 60’s the CIA was experimenting very heavily with mind-control methods using drugs, hypnosis, remote viewing, even working with occult things. They did it for years. There had to be something to it or they would have stopped sooner than they (said) they did. They were serious. It was code-named MK Ultra. When the public got wind of it, they suddenly “stopped”. ABC News ran documentaries on it. That was in the days when the media wasn’t owned by the deep state. 50 years have gone by. How much further along have they come since then? Kinda like a ’55 Studebaker compared to a new Tesla I would say.
    Our country has become evil. There’s a judgement coming and it’s been long over-due.

    • PatrickJ

      Well, you certainly got my attention with that, Rick. When I read your comment, I got chills up my spine. No question that I haven’t had similar thoughts.

      • Rick

        It is chilling alright. I’ve been in this world long enough to remember a time when NO ONE would have even thought about this kind of depravity. Now, people are just so different. Can you think of other things that we as a nation are doing that are different now from then? The answer is “many”.

        • PatrickJ

          I have always favored the, ‘rats in a box,” theory. Put too many rats in a small box and they will kill each other. I think we have just become too many rats in too small a box.

          • TexasDeplorable1134

            Yea, unfortunately I believe that this also has to do with upbringing as well. Growing up I was taught to respect and not harm others. Seems that today, gloves off is the norm. Pretty sad if you ask me.

          • Bret

            I was thinking along the same lines. Global population has increased 250% since 1960!….From 3B to 7.5B. In America, from 180M to 383M….or 179%. Too many loones.

        • Tim maher

          I can remember giving thanks to GOD in class every day as we went to lunch and I went to a public school. It did not teach us doctrine but did give us an acute awareness that we do answer to a higher power for our actions, something many seem to either forgotten or possibly never been taught.

    • Dane Parker

      The real answer is simpler than that. It’s not DARPA, HAARP, or some agency’s experiment. It’s quite simply this: original sin. We live in a fallen world.

      • Rick

        Amen, brother. I was hoping to hear that from SOMEONE. These people died in the act of praising the Lord our Father in Heaven in Jesus’ name. Blessed be His Holy name.

      • Tim maher

        And we sat back and allowed evil people to remove GOD from our schools, work places and government. Perhaps GOD is allowing us to truely see a world without HIM. We need to fight to allow HIM freely back into our lives. HE is not going to force HIS way in. We must desire HIS return and invite HIM in.

  • PatrickJ

    How many mass killings like this can this nation suffer before we put in place measures to make it more difficult”?

    • Disgusted Caucasian

      Be careful what you wish for.

      • PatrickJ

        Yeah, I thought about that as I was typing, It’s a mixed bag for sure.

    • erospawn

      Lack of guns didn’t seem to bother the New York terrorist attacker.. Gun control worked.. He couldn’t get a gun..

      • PatrickJ

        It even has a name. It’s called, “Truck killing.” No need for a gun.

    • Christie

      First and foremost the MSM needs to stop glamorizing the gunmen. If they made it a policy never to disclose the shooter’s name, it would no longer serve its purpose.

    • Hottotrote

      Just how do you make something like this more difficult when the killer’s mind set is to kill his target? If he hadn’t had a gun a bomb is simple to make! Ask OK!

      • Christie

        In these mass situations the mindset usually isn’t about the act as much as leaving the legacy of committing the act. They need to stop disclosing the shooter’s name.

        • CD Ard

          The FBI is doing a great job of hiding everything in these crimes.

    • TYvets

      I suppose you would need to define your plan.

  • …remain calm and return fire

    Ban gun free zones.

    • survivor50

      It’s not against the law to carry a gun in church in Texas. Unless there is a state approved sign saying so…

      • CD Ard

        And then it is a fine, a misdemeanor….if the church wished to impose a fine in a civil court. The state cannot control the punishment as a crime on private property. Civil court.

      • HurdeyGurdey ✓ᴰᵉᵖˡᵒʳᵃᵇˡᵉ

        Some are saying churches are gun-free zones on a Federal level. That church shooting a few weeks ago, the usher had to run to the parking lot to get his gun from the car. He ran back and stopped the guy from more shooting. So no guns were in that church either. I say abolish all gun-free zones nation wide. Anywhere we can lawfully go, we can also carry there.

        This guy went through handfuls of magazine clips shooting people reloading several times. Do you think if others at church were armed, that the attackers would have gotten that far? Maybe one or two he could get but he’d be dead after that. No high numbers of injured or dead. We cover each other as armed responsible citizens we hope we won’t need to use but ready if we do.

        • twidgetZack

          Got my concealed carry permit a few months ago.
          In the class we were told we can carry anyplace there isn’t “metal detector” security.
          A business can ask you to leave and you must comply if they have sign up, but as long as they don’t know you’re carrying you are good to go.

          • Floppy Bunny

            Yep and if they do not have proper signage, they can indeed ass you to leave, but otherwise you have a right to carry. The only other loophole they have is if they are your employer and you signed something saying that guns are not allowed on property.

        • Kay Headley

          Since he began by shooting outside at the building, if anyone had been armed inside, they could have put a stop to it before anyone was killed.

        • Varangian Guard

          Federal Level? The feds only have say over fed buildings and land. This is still a democratic republic and the STATES have the say so in where you CAN and CAN’T carry. In this particular case, Texas remains a Republic, not a state.
          THE LAST THING WE WANT IS THE FEDS SAYING ANYTHING ABOUT WEAPONS PAST THE 2A……….PERIOD.
          It is purely a state issue, like health care should be.

          • Sure, Not

            Not arguing your point, but I’m a stickler for historical accuracy. Per wikipedia: “Texas was annexed by the United States on December 29, 1845 and was admitted to the Union as the 28th state on that day, with the transfer of power from the Republic to the new state formally taking place on February 19, 1846.”

          • Floppy Bunny

            Wikipedia is not always reliable. It can be altered by just anybody.

    • PatrickJ

      Would be great if we passed a law that every adult in America should be armed at all times.
      Crazy I know, but it seems that is what we have come to, as a nation. Not our choice really, just something that we have been forced to look at seriously.

      • Hottotrote

        Switzerland used to have that law and all citizens were in the military for at leas 2 years. No one tried to take over that country until now. They really should have kept it up!

        • Lensgrinder

          Israel still does that.

          • Re

            These are smart people.

      • antiliberal00

        The last thing I want is a bunch of Godless, armed, liberals to be running around, armed.
        They have no moral compass and would likely shoot you if you disagreed with them.
        Other than Muslims, I expect they are already the cause of most mass murders.

        • Katherine Bryson Airisa

          It does seem most shootings are from dems.

        • guest

          I agree. Something about these mass shootings lately smells like a gov’t orchestrated plan to disarm the citizenry. Why are the citizens kept in the dark about so much of this and the news just seems to drift on to Trump collusion with Russia. Maybe the time for taking out our gov’t has never been more ripe.

          • Varangian Guard

            Such things being suggested have been reserved for those having a tin foil haberdasher. I would like to see more of the whistleblowing out of the left come to light. Hopefully the levy is about to break on the left. Then some light may be shed on mass shooting data that has been with held. The unfortunate matter of several of those in “the know” having met an early demise will slow that roll a little. I remain optimistic that evil will be taken care of one way or another. Here or the hereafter is not my call, but it IS my Faith.

        • gregg56

          A bit short on the history aspect aren’t you. Virtually EVERY mass shooting in the last 30 years was committed by a Liberal who had acquired his firearm through illegal means.

          • Sure, Not

            That’s kind of what he said… “I expect [liberals] are already the cause of most mass murders.” No correction was needed.

      • Johnny G.

        So, how come we are raising men like Kelly? Were is all of this hatred coming from??

        • William Brown

          It may sound too simple The devil,Not Having a true relationship with Jesus.

        • CASSY IS SASSY

          From watching CNN and MSNBC.

          • jlsharks1

            And also Antifa, BLM

          • CASSY IS SASSY

            Exactly…Black Lives Matter…..
            PLLFFTT……… (that noise you make with your lips in disbelief)
            They are the Klan with the Tan!

        • Cbrown

          It’s coming from the teachers who pound this stuff into our kids from kindergarten onward. My kid has to watch CNN at school everyday. My child knows that it stands for Communist Network News. The teachers are union….and somehow the textbooks and cirriculum have all been sanctioned to be politically correct.

        • Lonney L Sennett

          Johnny, that is exactly the question our law makers don’t want to take on. It’s easier for them to pick an object like guns and make it the cause, than address the real issues. It’s something they always do. Because of our geniuses in Washington, you now know that rich people who employ people are the cause of poverty, not the uncontrolled influx of illegals, or the lack of training and jobs.

      • a voice of concern

        I was just thinking earlier that the new standard might be to have one volunteer carry for every 10 people at any type of group meeting, religious or otherwise. A designated defender if you will.

        • Arny.Plumb

          That is an interesting concept. But would that be compulsory for liberal and ANTIFA gatherings? 1) who in their groups would volunteer, and 2) who in their midst wouldn’t be disqualified?

          • Kay Headley

            We just won’t tell them about it.

        • William Brown

          That wont work either what if the defender losses it, I mean his brain and reasoning??

          • gregg56

            Works out for me, then the Liberal can kill his own people!

      • KMA

        I agree, everyone who is capable of being armed should be.
        The more pertinent question is … what are we doing about the serious mental issues we have in this country.
        Why was he dishonorable discharged?

        • Rhonda Hodges

          Personally, I think he was just one ugly person who wanted to harm people because of all the hate that filled him. Glad he is in hell and we don’t have to support him for the rest of his sorry life!

        • Varangian Guard

          For beating his wife and child. That being said, was he legally able to own the firearms? He may have purchased them before the incidents that caused his discharge. Those alone should have initiated a PPO against him, thus rendering his ability to own and handle arms no longer possible.

          • Sure, Not

            No longer legal, I think you mean.

      • Fredster

        More Fed govt control, eh? Wrong. Wanna carry? Just do it. If your Syate allows it.

      • JaySands1234

        We should legalize dueling again and watch how the liberals become civilized again.

      • gregg56

        In 1982, Kennesaw, GA passed that exact law. They included enough opt-outs so that if you REALLY did not want to own a firearm, you could opt out.

        For the criminals, this removed their knowledge that, in Kennesaw, there was likely no home without a firearm or the knowledge as to WHICH homes may not have a firearm.

        As a result, since 1982, only 4 gun murders in Kennesaw, all in “gun free zones”.

        Sounds like a law that should be passed EVERYWHERE

      • akasome1else

        There is a Law that says every adult SHOULD be armed at alla times, It’s called ” The Second Amendment” to the US Constitution.
        Quote ” A well regulated ( regulated – armed, trained, prepared, ready at all times) militia being NECESSARY to the Security of a free state, the RIGHT of the PEOPLE S H A L L N O T be Infringed”
        Incidents like the one in Sutherland Springs happen because people are *ignorant* and led like sheep by their chosen “Representatives” who do NOT represent THEM .
        These representatives represent the interests of the segment of the population that PAYS them the most money – NOT You and I .

    • PatrickJ

      Absolutely. A gun free zone is simply a killing zone.

    • Scotty

      Exactly. Gun free zones are sitting duck zones.

    • Pantiger

      Churches are NOT gun free zones where I’m from. They have come to realize the need since open season was declared on Christians 8 or so years ago.

      • MJABRTDK

        Same here we have security with over half our men trained and armed .

      • HarryObrian

        Well said, open season on Christians is a very important key phrase in all of this, not to mention a government and a UN that would love to see guns removed from ‘Americans’.

      • tundraboomer

        Texas Penal Code, §46.035, prohibits carrying of handguns and other weapons in certain places. These include but are not limited to:
        – On the premises of a business that derives 51% or more of its income from the sale or service of alcoholic beverages for on-premises consumption
        – On the premises where a high school, collegiate, or professional sporting or interscholastic event is taking place
        – On the premises of a correctional facility
        – On the premises of a hospital or nursing home (unless licensee has written authorization)
        – In an amusement park
        >>> – On the premises of a church, synagogue, or other place of worship <<<
        – At any meeting of a governmental entity

        Since this was a church in a small Texas town it’s highly likely that the churchgoers were obeying the law and nobody inside was armed and able to provide any defense. "Gun free zones" are deadly.

    • TexasDeplorable1134

      Yup, the most effective “mass culling” mechanism the liberals ever created.

    • Will Fish 4 Trout

      Texas Law states that you can be armed in Church unless the legal signage for prohibiting is posted.

    • Dog Daze 2.0

      Texas churches are NOT gun free zones, unless marked with 30.06 signage.

    • Kevin Riley

      It was NOT necessarily a gun free zone. In Texas, appropriate LEGAL signage would have to be posted to give notice that guns either open or concealed carried (or both) were not allowed.

      The church leadership makes that decision.

    • anotherday

      Gun free means you should not have a gun showing freely.

  • Zotus

    It’s reported he was bible school teacher over the summer so obviously not an atheist. No need to point fingers or politicize. Obviously disturbed individuals who do this kind of terrorism have a screw loose but political leaning has no bearing. It’s a shame that we cannot even feel safe attending the church of our choice.

    • Christie

      Bible teacher “Assistant” one summer several years ago. Also reported had ‘liked’ many atheist groups on Facebook.

      • Emma Keyser

        yep. at least 4 atheist sites liked +CNN.

      • Zotus

        So if I like a post from one of my Democrat friends that makes me a Democrat. I don’t think so.

        • Christie

          If you happen to ‘like’ more Dem posts than Republican posts, you may want to reconsider your affiliation. Just sayin …

          • Zotus

            That’s nonsense! Politics don’t rule my life or friendships. I have friends from both parties and politics is only occasionally discussed. If you pick and choose your friends based upon their political affiliation then I suggest it is you that has a problem and should examine your value system.

          • Christie

            Nobody said anything about choosing friends based upon political affiliation. Nice stretch but please stay on topic.

    • Bud

      That factoid is meaningless. Stalin was once a seminarian.

      • Zotus

        Almost as meaningless as those calling him an atheist liberal with absolutely no evidence or facts to back that accusation. Those doing so do a disservice to conservatives by making us appear to be as full of hatred and able to spread as much fake news as the far left.

        • Jenny O

          I see a distinction between “liking” professed “atheist groups” (per Christie re: the shooter) to that of you “liking” some socially friendly or innocuous post of a Democrat friend, or family member. Don’t you?

  • Jackie Nanney

    Thoughts and Prayers To The Families.Its Texas, Why weren’t parishioners packing?

    • RMCS Ret.

      Good question. You can concealed and/or open carry in TX.

      • RevGregory

        Not in a church, school, hospital or daycare.

        • Greg Waters

          I guess that is why he could do what he did.

        • Greg Waters

          Restrictions on licensed carry[edit]
          While a permitted resident of Texas (or a nonresident holding a recognized permit) is generally authorized to carry in most public places, there are State and Federal laws that still restrict a permit holder from carrying a weapon in certain situations. These include:
          Federal buildings – Premises owned by the U.S. Federal Government or its agencies for the purpose of any official business of the Federal Government are covered by Federal statutes that supersede State law. It is illegal in general under said statutes to possess a firearm while in any such location, and possession of a State-issued concealed firearms permit is no defense. Such places commonly encountered include post offices, Federal courts, and offices of the IRS, FBI, Justice Department, Department of Energy, USDA, FDA, etc. A rider tied to the 2009 Federal CARD Act has restricted the Department of the Interior from enacting or enforcing restrictions on carry of arms within lands controlled by the Bureau of Land Management; CHL permittees may carry concealed while in a federal park or wildlife preserve contained wholly or partially within the borders of the State of Texas. However, Army Corps of Engineers properties (including all reservoir lakes and included park areas) are still off-limits.
          Schools – Concealed carry in a school may be a felony under TPC section 46.03: “A person commits an offense if the person intentionally, knowingly, or recklessly possesses or goes with a firearm, illegal knife, club, or prohibited weapon listed in Section 46.05(a): …on the physical premises of a school or educational institution, any grounds or building on which an activity sponsored by a school or educational institution is being conducted, or a passenger transportation vehicle of a school or educational institution, whether the school or educational institution is public or private, unless pursuant to written regulations or written authorization of the institution [emphasis added].”[13] The age/grade level, funding type or for-profit status of the school does not matter. Carry of a concealed weapon while in a public outdoor area surrounding an educational building is permitted; as defined by TPC 46.035(f)(3), “premises” refers only to a building or part of a building, and does not refer to driveways, streets, sidewalks, parking lots, parking garages, or privately owned vehicles.[12] Employees of schools will be able to keep their firearms within their vehicles as of September 1, 2017.[8]
          Public sporting events – It is a Class A misdemeanor to carry while inside a building currently being used for an interscholastic or professional sporting event, unless the person carrying is a participant in the sporting event and said sporting event requires the use of the firearm (i.e. a target shooting competition).
          Businesses posting a compliant “51% sign” – It is a felony to carry a firearm while on the premises of a business that makes more than 51% of its revenue from the sale of alcoholic beverages for on-premises consumption (colloquially “bars”, “nightclubs”, “taverns”, “saloons”, etc.). A person with a CHL that is in violation has a defense that the establishment did not post the proper signage, as required by the Government Code section 411.204. The proper signage contains similar language as is required of all liquor license holders, but with the addition of a couple of words to prohibit licensed as well as unlicensed carry, and a background containing a red “51%” to make it obvious at a glance that the sign applies to CHL holders.
          Correctional facilities – It is a felony, whether licensed or not, to carry inside a building generally termed a “jail” or “prison”.
          Execution premises – within 1,000 feet of premises the location of which is designated by the Texas Department of Criminal Justice as a place of execution under Article 43.19, Code of Criminal Procedure, on a day that a sentence of death is set to be imposed on the designated premises and the person received notice that: (A) going within 1,000 feet of the premises with a weapon listed under this subsection was prohibited; or (B) possessing a weapon listed under this subsection within 1,000 feet of the premises was prohibited.
          Courts or court offices – It is a felony, whether licensed or not, to carry inside a building used by a functioning municipal, state or federal court for official business. Exceptions are granted to certain employees of those offices, such as judges, attorneys, baliffs, and law enforcement officials.
          Election polling places – It is a felony, whether licensed or not, to carry inside a building being used as a polling center for any municipal, state and/or federal elections process on the scheduled voting date or while polling is underway. This is significant, as a local business or other generally public building, which would normally not prohibit concealed carry, may offer their facilities for use as a polling place. A person would be in violation if they entered the building on the day voting occurs, even if the polls are not open at the time, and even if the license holder is there for some other purpose than to vote.
          Racetracks – It is a felony, whether licensed or not, to carry a firearm on the premises of a racetrack (horse or dog).
          While intoxicated – CHL holders may not carry in any place or at any time while intoxicated (Penal Code 46.035.), defined as: (a) not having the normal use of mental or physical faculties by reason of the introduction of alcohol, a controlled substance, a drug, a dangerous drug, a combination of two or more of those substances, or any other substance into the body; or (B) having an alcohol concentration of 0.08 or more (Penal Code 49.01.)

          • Disgusted Caucasian

            Pennsylvania is one of the best states to have a concealed carry license. The only thing off limits is the usual fed buildings, court houses and schools.

          • Hottotrote

            Churches are not schools or government owned!

        • VisPacem

          Actually, in Texas, unless a church (or diocese) posts visible 30.06 (prohibiting concealed carry) signs on the main entrance, or a 30.07 sign (prohibiting open carry), a licensed person can enter said facility armed.
          It is Hospitals, federal buildings, court houses, schools, election centers, etc., that are off-limits.

          • Bud

            And even when those signs are displayed a person wishing to do so can go right on in.

          • VisPacem

            Agreed, concealed carry folks should do just that.

          • confedgal

            Our CC instructor made sure to let us know that unless there is a statute number on the no firearms sign all they can do is ask you to leave. Wonderful guy.

          • confedgal

            Thanks for the clarification.

          • VisPacem

            That’s a great ‘handle’ you’re using, and you’re welcome.

          • confedgal

            Thanks. Southern born, Southern bred.

        • CD Ard

          You don’t know what you are talking about.

        • confedgal

          Wow! In NC you can carry in church. You can even carry at the bar as long as you’re not drinking.

    • RevGregory

      Hint..it’s illegal. My church has 2 armed police officers at the front doors and several plain clothes officers in the church during all Mass’s.
      We have over 5000 families so we can afford the security details. This was a small church probably with limited funds,

      • Varangian Guard

        Not illegal in Texas. In fact due to the climate many churches have armed security contingencies comprised of parishioners. This is also true in Michigan

        • Hottotrote

          Small town mentality would mean they felt safe and secure because everyone knows everyone else. And yes weapons are allowed if the people who go to the church want them. They didn’t!

      • Greg Waters

        Actually it is not illegal to carry a gun in Texas. I just checked the law.

      • TexasDeplorable1134

        Not in Texas. Only if posted by the main entrance and it has to be a SPECIFIC sign the prohibits any firearms, concealed or open. Gov’t buildings are a different story.

        • CD Ard

          It is a fine if prosecuted by the church in a civil court….not a criminal act to conceal carry in a private property.

      • CD Ard

        IT IS NOT ILLEGAL!!!!!!!

  • tired of it

    we need Jesus, as a nation, and as people. so sad.

    • Numerical Logic

      Amen.

    • Flagfriend

      “The thief comes only to steal and kill and destroy. I came that they may have life and have it abundantly.”
      John 10:10.

  • No Mas

    America must deport the atheist democrat liberTARD commies

    • jill

      Why are you speaking hatred? That’s what killed those people.

      • Michael79

        Yes an atheist democrat did. Republicans know they are being targeted by democrats

      • CD Ard

        Drop that drumbeat word…hatred. It is old and overused. The fact is, the only time hate is a relevant factor or a crime is when a minority is the victim of something. Caucasians don’t have the luxury of being victims of criminal haters. I hate the term ‘hate crimes’ because it doesn’t apply to criminals who hate and choose to kill police officers. I hate it when people use the word hater as a weapon in every discussion. I hate leftists who have no capacity to be analytical beyond labeling everything as an emotional knee jerk. I hate lawmakers who have criminalizes the emotion word hate instead of criminalizing the action. We all have a constitutional right to hate something so stop trying to lecture or curtail others speech. Deportation of illegal aliens or foreigners who hate us makes good sense.

      • No Mas

        what killed those people was a deranged idiot that got weapons because the air force failed to do their job in forwarding the court martial records to the fbi database for ATF… The common denominator in the majority is mental illness and former federal govt employees who are primarily identified as demonrats